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Unfortunately I think you’re right. It doesn’t help when the opposition are so incredibly weak. It’s crazy that the Tories can make such a mess of the whole thing, waste three and a half years in-fighting, changing leaders, countless cabinet ins and out, May’s perpetual can kicking then wasting the extension with a protracted leadership contest and closing down Parliament - and still get their “just get it done” message across unopposed. I have yet to even hear one Labour MP point out that Boris himself twice helped block Brexit when May was trying to get it done.

It's never that black and white though is it, traffic and weather conditions can change quickly. Also if you break down how long does it take for the red X to appear?

Stupid idea. The benefits of having another lane is obvious during the rush hour but I wouldn't fancy breaking down and being stuck on the carriageway at night or in poor visibility when the traffic is going full pelt.

Sinn Fein certainly think so: https://www.irishpost.com/news/sinn-fein-says-brexit-will-pave-way-united-ireland-within-generation-173046 Maybe the Conservatives should invite their new best pals into the house to try and ram the deal through?

Surely it makes sense to have an election once Brexit is sorted out so people are elected because of their policies and how capable they are, not on the back of one single decisive issue? A GE now would be messy as ****.

So who do Brexit supporting socialists or Remainer Tories vote for?

So you agree that many have changed their mind since 2016 and a second refurendum would be the most democratic way of solving this mess?

It doesn't matter how much leavers claim they knew what they were voting for, fact is certain things that have come to light no one could have known about. Mainly IMO: £39 Billion Divorce bill - This only became clear a long time after the result. Possible breakup of the UK - Obviously only after the results came in did it become clear that NI and Scotland voted strongly in the opposite way to England and Wales. If we leave with the current deal then the SNP have an undeniable right to hold another referendum which they will probably win. Response of the EU - We were told the EU would capitulate because German Car manufacturers would be banging on Merkel’s door. It turns out that they, along with their Governments agree with the EU that protecting the EU and single market is more important than any free trade deal with the UK. Northern Ireland issues - We only found a week or so ago that there is going to be a border down the Irish Sea against the wishes of the DUP. Sinn Fein are over the moon and already planning for a united Ireland - the potential for trouble here is obvious. Is ANYTHING worth risking trouble in NI again?

It would be a more informed choice, if leave wins by a handful of votes then the deal is actioned automatically, likewise if remain win we revoke.

True, the EU don't seem to usually like getting involved in internal politics. But if they did surely the Benn act requires any response to the PM's extension request to be put to parliament?

Hopefully the EU will agree to a delay only on condition of a second referendum. Surly they want this settled once and for all, extending for a GE which might make the situation harder to be resolved seems an odd thing to do.

I can't believe we're going to have a general election. We risk having a sh!t Brexit forced on us by our our outdated and inept FPTP voting system. Out of the EU under Boris Johnson or in it under Jeremy Corbyn - it's like a choice between syphilis and gonorrhoea.

Yep, then another hung Parliament and we are back to where we are now.

The same site has remain ahead in virtually every recent poll on Brexit.

Would be worth it just to force Boris and his ERG lot to block Brexit.

It is bonkers. The Tories waste three and a half years with three PM changes, cabinet reshuffles, a general election, perpetual can-kicking of a useless deal, closing down Parliament and pointless queen's speech - NOW it is so urgent they need to bulldoze it through the house in a few days.

There's a difference between promising something and not delivering it or changing your mind over time, than blatant lies. "There are no media here" whilst stood in front of press, TV cameras, photographers and his own media officer is my favourite, that's Iraqi Information Minister standard of lying. All to a man upset about his seriously ill daughter. The bus lie is another classic, if you have lie make sure it's big one. "It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying." — Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X

Oh come on, Boris is up there with Trump with his scale of bullish!t.

Push this deal through and it won’t stop the uncertainty, we could still crash out at the end of 2020 without a deal. The Tories banging on about “just getting it done” is laughable, they are the ones who have wasted three years with pointless leadership changes, general election and futile can kicking of their first terrible deal.

I said he got what he deserved, not that I agreed with how he got it.

I dunno, Peterborough is one of the most pro Brexit constituencies and they voted Labour in June. I expect the two main parties will get a bit of a kicking and can’t see either getting close to a majority. If anything, with the Lib Dem’s, SNP and Brexit parties doing well Parliament will be even more of a mess. A second refurendum is the screaming obvious way forward. Get the deal through the house on the condition of a public vote and nothing will be holding it up.

I don't think they will extend unless it guarantees some sort of decision on Brexit. Chances are a GE will just result in a hung parliament which will solve nothing, if anything it could make the situation even more muddled if the main two parties do as bad as expected.

I think the best outcome is for the deal to get approved subject to an approval referendum. That takes no deal off the table, takes parliament and party politics out of the equation, and means this option has been chosen because it is the best way forward not just because there is a threat of a no deal.

It's amazing how many people still don't get this.

You just get Parliament to approve the deal on the condition of a legally binding confirmatory vote, then it wouldn't have to go through the house again.