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Free trade, without free movement. Sounds ok to me.

What are the terms of the Canada deal then?

Are they not trying to negotiate a free trade deal with Canada? I assume Canada are not going to have to put up with free movement of people.

Yeah it's not hard to understand. My point was that if there was a deal that meant we got a better deal and it benefited the EU they wouldn't do it because they need to make sure we get a worse deal just to make a point. They won't do a single thing that gives us any sort of advantage because we are a competitor, rights and responsibilities don't come into it.

Forcing us to have a worse deal, how is that not punishment?

Of course they won't say it but that's what they will do. The moment we triggered article 50 we stopped being with them and became their competitor. That's how capitalism works, there will be countries in the EU who will want our car industry, countries that want our financial service industry - and the EU will do all it can to make sure they get them.

That's wrong. If there is no deal by early 2019 we go to WTO rules regardless of what our parliament decide. Less Tories and more Labour mean a softer deal is more likely to get through but I can't see the EU giving us a deal good enough, they will go out of their way to make sure we suffer.

The real Batman would not have **** his pants so quickly, he's a fraud.

Just by associating with these sort of people doesn't mean he is not trying to get them to further their cause through peaceful means. From what I have seen he has been pretty consistent in his opposite to war and violence, happy to be proven wrong, I am not even a big fan of Corbyn. I just don't like the typical flag waving loons who **** their pants when they read that he has actually spoken with people like Hamas or the IRA.

He has made it pretty clear that he is against violence of any sort, just because he sympathised with the plight of Catholics at the time doesn't mean he was applauding violence. It's the same with Hamas, he recognises the plight of the Palestinians so talks to them. The only way we are going to sort the Iraq/Syria problem out is by talking. Just because he wasn't part of Tony Blair's peace process, doesn't mean his intentions were not for a peaceful solution. Just means Blair chose his own people to do the talking. On the subject of terrorists - you don't seem too bothered about the Tories inviting a group backed by the UDA into our country's government, or are they OK?

Corbyn is obviously a pacifist, keep trying to convince yourself he was cheering people's deaths if it makes you happy but most people have the intelligence to realise that he sympathised with the cause and that he knew the only way to sort the problem was though talking. And get problem was resolved through talking.

Farage was spot on when he said they needed someone who actually believes in Brexit to be in charge if we are going down this road of Brexit at any cost. To be honest, whilst I was pro Brexit during the referendum I just wouldn't bother now. May is just going to **** it all up. It's nailed on WTO rules. All this "we voted out so are going out regardless" attitude is retarded, there is nothing undemocratic about having a second refurendum once we have an idea of the consequences. We will still leave if the option looks better. At the moment it's like watching a slow motion car crash. First we had Cameron jump ship it the first opportunity, then Boris bottled it, now May is making a right mess.

To be fair he didn't do too bad considering many said he was completely unelectable. A few more years of Tory cuts and them making a complete mess of Tory Brexit and he will stand a real chance next time.

Yeah but the next generation will grow up with the previous generation's debt round their neck, austerity, without free higher education, a decent chance to own a house and with their environment ****ed up. And out of the EU against their wish.

They wouldn't. Revoking article 50 would only become a complicated legal process if the EU opposed it. I think. We won't get a deal with the EU so it will be hard Brexit or nothing. Will be interesting to see how that goes.

I think it would be no problem if the EU backed it, but that would be to stay in not just delay exit I expect.

Over 500,000 people at the last count. I'm well chuffed with the election result so it's not a case of being a sore loser, I just think the current system is outdated.

No chance of that. Europe want to give us a kicking and it only takes one of the 27 to veto it for no extension.

And the Green Party get 1 MP from 524,604 votes. The SNP get 35 MPs from 977,569 votes. How can anyone possibly say we have a good electoral system? I wonder how many more, like me, would have voted Green if they thought the vote would actually count?

True, more people could go to Labour if they sort their leader out. there is obviously a big generational issue. Loads of old people clinging onto wealth they think they have earned while the young suffer and pay for the oldies debts.

Future looks red to me.

Conservatives are the largest party but it would be interesting to see what percentage of the popular vote went to left wing parties (Labour, lim dem, snp, greens and PC) as opposed to right wing (Tory and UKIP).

The UK will be independent regardless of who you voted for this election.

Corbyn has done well but with a David Milliband or similar in charge and a slight shift to the right they would have walked this election.

You have wonder what the result would have been if Labour had an electable leader. Tories are a complete mess if this is all they could manage against an IRA supporting Marxist.