aintforever
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So, conservatives are way more likely to want Brexit so the more we have in Parliament the softer the Brexit. OK, that makes sense. All these Tories supported Brexit apparently: Iain Duncan Smith, Michael Gove, Chris Grayling, Theresa Villiers, John Whittingdale, James Duddridge, George Eustice, Mark Francois, Andrea Leadsom, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, James Wharton, Penny Mordaunt, Julian Brazier, Mike Penning, Desmond Swayne, Justin Tomlinson, Nigel Adams, Adam Afriyie, Lucy Allan, David Amess, Stuart Andrew, Richard Bacon, Steve Baker, John Baron, Bob Blackman, Victoria Borwick, Graham Brady, Andrew Bridgen, Fiona Bruce, Peter Bone, Conor Burns, David Burrowes, William Cash, Maria Caulfield, Christopher Chope, James Cleverly, Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey Cox, Chris Davies, David Davies, James Davies, Mims Davies, Philip Davies, David Davis, Nadine Dorries, Steve Double, Richard Drax, Nigel Evans, Michael Fabricant, Marcus Fysh, Liam Fox, Richard Fuller, Nusrat Ghani, Zac Goldsmith, Cheryl Gillan, James Gray, Chris Green,Rebecca Harris, Gordon Henderson, Chris Heaton-Harris, Philip Hollobone, Adam Holloway, Kris Hopkins, Gerald Howarth, Stewart Jackson, Ranil Jayawardena, Bernard Jenkin, Andrea Jenkyns, Boris Johnson, Jonathan Lord, Gareth Johnson, David Jones, Daniel Kawczynski, Greg Knight, Kwasi Kwarteng, Edward Leigh, Jack Lopresti, Peter Lilley, Julian Lewis, Tim Loughton, Karen Lumley, Jason McCartney, Karl McCartney, Stephen McPartland, Stephen Phillips, Craig Mackinlay, Anne Main, Scott Mann, Anne Marie Morris, Sheryll Murray, Andrew Murrison, David Nuttall, Owen Paterson, Andrew Percy, Tom Pursglove, Will Quince, John Redwood, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Laurence Robertson, Andrew Rosindell, Paul Scully, Henry Smith, Royston Smith, Andrew Stephenson, Iain Stewart, Robert Syms, Kelly Tolhurst, Michael Tomlinson, Anne-Marie Trevelyan, Rishi Sunak, Andrew Turner, Craig Tracey, Martin Vickers, Charles Walker, David Warburton, Heather Wheeler, Bill Wiggin, William Wragg, Nadhim Zahawi, Stephen Barclay, Henry Bellingham, Andrew Bingham, Suella Fernandes, Nigel Mills, Matthew Offord, Julian Sturdy, Derek Thomas, Mike Wood, Kit Malthouse, John Hayes, Crispin Blunt, Rehman Chishti, Glyn Davies, Paul Maynard, Christopher Pincher, Eleanor Laing, Pauline Latham, Charlotte Leslie, Ian Liddell-Grainger, Bob Stewart, Caroline Ansell. Feel free to post the list of labour and lib dems...
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You do understand that Tories are more pro Brexit than the other MPs right? labour, Lib Dem and SNP are way way more likely to favour a softer Brexit - how is that a difficult concept to grasp?
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Wasn't it 130 odd Tories to Labour's 10 or so backing Brexit? The Lib Dems and SNP all remain. Yeah, clearly it's more Tories we want for a softer Brexit.
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Clearly you did.
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Can't remember being that bored watching a game of football before. Bunch of overpaid ******s already on their holidays.
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I don't get that, the Tories are most pro Brexit so surely more Tories mean harder brexit?
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An open top bus parade for being 4 points sh!tter than Doncaster Rovers in the fourth tier - wow!
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Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES
aintforever replied to sadoldgit's topic in The Lounge
The only reason there have not been many more mass murders here in the UK is because of our very good security services - I doubt they come cheap. Plus there is a cost to our society when we have to divert much needed police resources to try and deal with the threat of bearded lunatics. -
nuclear war LOL
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The one positive about this whole mess is the fact that after the GE this Brexit will be a 100% Tory Brexit. If it goes bad they will get destroyed at the next election.
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Became he didn't want to answer a stupid question?
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It's the most pointless, uninteresting election in my life-time. It's just a case of how many of the opposition seats get wiped out. The only interesting thing will be how Scotland reacts to the inevitable Tory landslide - them leaving the UK will probably be inevitable if the whole of England is blue, they are all SNP and being dragged out of Europe.
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Instead of scratching your head why do you try reading your own link: “It’s a ridiculous thing to suggest. Jeremy tweeted immediately after he voted that he voted to remain so the matter is already public."
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It's ****ing bonkers to think Russia would try to invade Britain, with or without nukes.
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It is arrogance though, the British people have had concerns over immigration for some time now and as members of a supposedly democratic EU we should have been listened to. Other countries are having the same issues, if the people are just ignored for the sake of some political project there will be more problems ahead (rise of the far right in France for example). For the life of me I don't see why they have to stick dogmatically to the 'free movement' thing, not sure why any other country should have issues with us wanting some control, it's a basic right of any country.
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Looks like the more Corbyn campaigns the more unpopular he gets. I actually hope it's a complete landslide now, just to push what's left of Labour intonsorting their **** out.
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The votes of people that dumb shouldn't count anyway.
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They obviously can't do a deal but they need to present some sort of detailed, palatable alternative to the Conservatives hard Brexit, some sort of deal that the EU can say might be a goer. The alternative is WTO rules, and after a Tory landslide the division between England and Scotland will be so big the end of the UK will be inevitable.
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Too late for any change now, it will just look like a right old mess to the electorate. It's going to be a Tory landslide. At least then something might be done to sort out the Labour Party. To be honest I despise the Tories but a Corbyn, SDP and Lib Dem alliance trying to negotiate a Brexit deal would be a disaster. Brexit is a Tory idea, best let them crack on with it - if it turns out bad they will be finished by the next election. To stand ANY chance whatsoever Labour need to stop banging on about spending more on the NHS etc and concentrate on Brexit - that is what this election will be about. IMO they should have their own talks with the EU come up with a softer alternative to the Tory's hard Brexit - some sort of deal that keeps us in the single market that has some support from Europe - if that is possible.
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They can probably foresee what a cluster-**** the Brexit negotiations are going to be and didn't want to face the electorate in 2020.
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It is quite an achievement for them. After all these years, finally getting promoted to the lowest level we've ever played at.
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The EU have left the door open for it to be reversed.
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If Labour had a decent centre-left leader and stood on a remain mandate I actually think they would have a decent chance of winning. With Corbyn in charge they have no chance so I guess there will be some Labour MPs defecting to the Lib Dems. The whole thing is a bit of a mess.
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Just a quick google found this from 2003's Guardian, must be part of project fear pt 1: Eleven of the world's top economists will announce this week that Britain should seize the 'historic opportunity' to join the single currency or face years in the economic wilderness, affecting billions of pounds of investment into the country and the wages of millions of people. The findings of the first major report on the economic costs of staying outside the single currency will be seized on by euro-enthusiasts in Number 10 as further evidence that it would be folly to rule out a single currency for the lifetime of the Parliament. Its contents were being circulated to Ministers this weekend ahead of an expected Cabinet debate on the issue before the end of the month. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, are engaged in tense discussions over the exact wording of the announcement of the five economic tests, the cornerstone of government policy on the euro, expected in the next three weeks. Although the Government will say that the tests for joining the single currency have not yet been met, Blair is pushing the Treasury to ensure that the assessment of when Britain might join is not put off until the indefinite future. The pro-euro camp will be further strengthened this week when Robin Cook, the former Foreign Secretary, will say that, alongside the economic costs, there will also be a political cost of staying out. Cook, in his first comments on the single currency since he quit the Cabinet earlier this year, will say that Britain will be in danger of losing influence over the future direction of Europe if it does not give a firm indication of its desire to join the euro. The Begg Commission of leading economic experts was put together by Britain in Europe, the organisation campaigning for Britain to join the single currency. But BiE officials insist the report is independent. Many of the economists on the commission are not euro-enthusiasts. 'It may look tempting to reject the euro on the grounds that, by keeping the pound, the UK can simply continue as it is today,' the report will say. 'But things will not stand still if the UK rejects the euro. In the long run, eurozone members will trade more with one another. They will have beneficial effects on which the UK will miss out. 'UK profitability and/or wages will suffer.' If Britain does not join, 'investment is likely to relocate towards the eurozone', the report continues. 'Some financial markets and institutions will follow.
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Many in project fear clearly did prior to the vote.
