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That is perfectly valid, on http://www.pprune.org there are plenty of current professional pilots who's theories get debunked by more knowledgable posters (not me of course). A big gripe on there is people appearing in the media who don't really know what they are talking about.

All valid points. How's the Lee Rigby false flag theory getting on?

But if the Inmarsat ping definitely gives a GPS position don't you think the Chinese and the rest of the aviation industry would be fully aware of it's capability? It's not like it's top secret military technology, it's available for anyone to buy on the open market. From what i can see it's not the sort of info that could be kept under wraps. I can understand a country's military wanting to be a bit cagey about what they can and cannot see (and that's a different matter) but this is a private company with a commercial product.

I don't doubt that it is possible. I just don't subscribe to the theory that the information is being withheld whilst China, Austraila and co search half the southern hemisphere looking for the missing people.

Pilots obviously know more about his stuff, that why I've been following this site; http://www.pprune.org They all seem pretty happy with the ping information, here's a few posts: "Sadly, I think all Inmarsat has to work with is the time of flight of radio waves between their satellite and the aircraft on the hour, plus the uncertain time lag required for the aircraft's satcom box to reply. My understanding is that for a few dollars more, Inmarsat would have an hourly GPS position transmitted from the aircraft in their archives." "The pings are time distances from the satellite and translated to an arc subtended from the point immediately below the satellite. By definition these lines do not provide positions from which to drive a strait (sic) line. The lines will be a measurable distance apart. Let us assume they are at one hour intervals and are 200 miles apart; this gives a velocity vector of 200 mile/hr towards the statellite sub-point. You can then use a ruler marked off with the max ground speed, say 450 kts, and use this to fit the 450 mile marks to the arc. If you subtend this from the last know position it will give to a track at a given angle to the North with a similar mirror image to the South. If you now mark the rule with either the minimum speed you can get another track which will be closer to the direct line to the satellite ground position. You now have two sectors, one to the north and one to the south. The line joining the two points at the end of the sector arcs will give a possible line of position. These lines can then be plotted further on if it is assumed that the aircraft flew one for a time after the last ping. Only if you assume the correct groundspeed would you have a discrete pair of tracks. The closer together the ping arcs the greater the track angle would be to the north and south. The logic only holds good if the aircraft made no course changes between pings and flew at a constant ground speed." "Given a number of recent posts on the methods of interpreting the INMARSAT ‘ping’ data, here is my understanding of how this will have been done by the NTSB. Each ping specifies a distance from the INMARSAT F1 sub-satellite point at 64degrees East on the equator. On the Earth’s surface this is a circle (but not a great circle). A model track can be specified from the last reported position of the aeroplane off the West coast of Malaysia to any point on the circle described by the last ping. The length of that track specifies the speed of the aeroplane (since the times are known) and hence where it would be when the intermediate (every hour) pings were exchanged. The distances of these ping positions from the sub-satellite point can be compared to the actual data (held by NTSB but not us). The point on the final ping circle (the arcs) can be moved until the model track matches the data. If there is no good match, change parameters like the final turning point, smooth changes in speed along the track etc. to get a good match to the data (there is a limit to how many things can be changed before the model can fit any data). Unless the aeroplane was performing extreme and random manoeuvres during its flight (in which case it would have crashed earlier) a course and speed of quite high accuracy can be obtained, I think." For what it's worth this site is full of professional pilots, none can say with much degree of certainty what what happened to the plane.

Exactly, the idea that they have an exact GPS position of where this plane crashed and they are suppressing it is just too far fetched IMO. The capabilities of the technology used in the engines would be common knowledge within the industry, it is not information that could or would be kept secret. The internet is awash with "look at me Im a pilot" type people talking sh!te. It's just a vehicle for their attention seeking alot of the time.

The Chinese are going to be right f*cked off when they find out West Stand knew how to find their plane all along. This could get interesting.

I don't doubt the fact that we are not being told everything but if it is common knowledge within the industry that the engines give off a GPS position then that's not the sort of information a government would or could withhold.

Maybe he should call one of the thousands of people searching for the plane and let them in on his little secret?

I thought what he was doing was confusing the brand more than anything. Sure the club was appearing to be more professionally run but the treatment of the crest was clumsy and dicking about with the kit works against the club having a cohesive identity. If you look at the biggest brands in English football like Man U and Arsenal, they all appear modern and professional whilst embracing their tradition and history.

It's happened before with an airliner and people go on suicide/murder rampages all the time, pilots are no different to anyone else. A hijacking gone wrong is plausible but there are so many ways a pilot can quickly SOS I find that unlikely. It would be interesting to actually know what the cargo was though. If it turns out there was something really valuable on board it would obviously make that more likely.

I guess it's just a pilot responding to the suicide/murder theories about a colleague. Still think suicide is the most likely scenario. Nothing really contradicts it. I doubt the plane will ever be found, which is probably what he wanted.

This guy has a simple, and by the sound of it, very plausible theory. Fire on board, comms disabled, pilot turns to land plane at safest location but is overcome by the fumes. http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

I read somewhere that the one that "landed" at Heathrow took less than 300m to stop. Depends whether you want it down, or want it to be able to fly again.

Ukraine just need to forget about Crimea, move their forces to the border, hold elections and join the EU. A pro west government will be more likely now they have go shot of the Russians in that region. The UK should not get involved but the west should concentrate on helping what is left of Ukraine plus offer financial assistance.

I would replace Davies, Hooveld and Guly with 3 top players. Maybe get quality cover for Shaw unless Targett is ready.

Just had a quick on there, **** me what a bunch of weirdos. You need help if you take that site seriously. A typical post; Shapeshifting reptilian police officer caught on camera Lee gets pulled over by Mersyside Police BUT he not dealing with a normal Police Officer as I found out whilest editing this footage. In fact he is dealing with an evil, obnoxious, shapeshifting reptilian, dressed as a Police Woman. If you were ever in doubt about the existence of these creatures, then this video will prove without any doubt that they do exist! They Live! For those who think this has been faked, here's the original footage Lee Stopped by officers on 26th February at 9 45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLHXrM...

I don't think having a the flight simulator means anything in this case to be honest, unless he was using it to practice stealing the plane and landing somewhere or flying into buildings etc.

Only because I wipe the floor with your pathetic conspiracies every time. Lee Rigby, the Boston bombings, 9/11 - I have make you look a complete fool every time. That's not hard though you do a fine job all by yourself. "Where's the blood, where's the blood!" "Look at the hands!"

Pap applying common sense! If the reports of him being a strong supporter of that person who was jailed it was as much a political protest as a suicide. Maybe he just lost it and thought he would fly off somewhere to get the world's attention to his cause, if that was his aim he has succeeded. It's a weird set of events, the pilot going nuts is certainly one of the more plausible theories.

With all due respect Pap, you are not best placed to judge who is and who is not a deranged fantasist.

Agree, it's the most likely explanation. Fits all the evidence. The only thing that could contradict this theory was if the comms that were turned off late on couldn't be done from the cockpit. If this did happen it would have been terrifying for the people on board, would have been completely helpless.

It is a disgrace, the biggest shocker is that huge rotting lump of land that sticks out behind the Thai restaurant next to Town Quay. Then you have the area between the Itchen Bridge and St Mary's - why have a council tip there FFS? Ocean village has been completely ****ed. Woolston is being redeveloped but the city centre needs a waterside focal point. The ironic thing is the council have been banging on about trying to get a "wow" factor when all the time it's been staring them in the face, the magnificent ships that come in and out every day are Southampton's wow factor. it's our biggest USP by a mile.

Think Chelsea and Man City are a better example of what money can buy.

To be fair, money gets you the right chairman and manager. The only reason Cortese, Pardew, Adkins or Poch were anywhere near SFC is Leibherr's millions.