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The idea that we are not getting the results we deserve is complete nonsense IMO. For every game where we probably "should" have won (Sheff Weds H) there is at least another where we "should" have got stuffed (Charlton A). We are where we deserve to be and at the moment I would say we are 50/50 for relegation. From what I have seen I would say there is enough talent in that squad to keep us up, a good manager would not get relegated with those players.

We are doing slightly better than I expected, I thought we wouldn't have a chance of staying up but our youngsters have proved we do. However we are still in it up to our necks, if we keep playing in the same open style we will not have a chance when the real relegation scrap begins. At the moment it is relatively pressure free football. If we try to ping it about like Arsenal in a relegation 6 pointer it will be disasterous IMO.

"I would give away all my shares to the right person. I don’t care about the money, all I care about is the future of this great club." We just need Lowe, Wilde and co to say the same thing and we might have a chance. Good on you Leon.

Why, I think the fairest way to price it would be to make tickets half price for Season ticket holders and members who have gone to at least 1 Championship game. Make the Manc's/plastics/glory supporters pay double. Why should real fans have to pay the same as some numpty who just wants to watch Rooney and Ronaldo? Rip em off I say, the mugs will pay it.

On the face of it it's not at all important, how the directors choose to decorate their room is totally up to them and it doesn't effect anyone else. However when you think about who's involved and the reasons behind it it pretty much sums up what a joke of a club we are. Choosing to replace a picture of our greatest manager ever holding the only thing we have ever won with a picture of a ****ing train from one of our relegation rivals is a **** take.

I think the club should charge £40 a ticket to anyone who's not on the database. All the plastic tossers and glory supporting ****s should have to pay through the nose.

Fowards yes, as in head first into league 1.

The problem is I expect Rupes would try to get 50p a share as we are now. A few leaks to the press about takeovers and the price soon shoots up. So its a case of: a) Spend £1 on a club and inherit lots of debt that you have to finance after admin a) spend £20mill on a club and inherit lots of debt that you have to finance

I think the rationalle is that if enough people boycott then Lowe n co will have to sell up because the club will have no future without fans through the turnstiles. Even if Lowe does somehow turn us into a successful Championship club making a profit then he would demand such a high price for the shares that we probably wouldn't be a decent investment anyway. Loads of clubs in a ****ty state financially have been bought, pompey were bought for a quid, QPR were up to their necks, Coventry & Leicester were debt ridden. I think Admin, or a Coventry situation where we are minutes away, is inevitable. It's the only way for Lowe, Wilde n co to realise that their shares are not worth a penny. And I think that though admin would be bad, the one good thing that COULD come from it is the removal of the PLC and Lowe.

Facts are some supporters think that the best thing for SFC is for Lowe and co to leave and by boycotting they are making that more likley. It is pointless saying they are not supporters just because you disagree with them, everyone has their own opinions on what's best for the club.

What a load of rubbish. the lions never normally play together, why was Woody's Lions tour any different to any previous Lions tour? If Woody's approach was not suited to the Lions then surely he should have known that from the start? If his approach is not transferable to a different type of Rugby situation then why do all you monkeys assume it will work in a completely different sport? Woodward was at Saints - we were ****. We are currently using Woodward's expensive facilities - we are still ****. There still is not a scrap of evidence that Woodward would be any use to a football club.

Wrong, though not on a salary he was involved in our relegation season. His main influence was during our first shambles of a season in this league.

I think you will find by far the most spending was done when Wilde and later his execs were in charge. Crouch was only in charge from around last January to the end of the season, during this time he made cutting measures like loaning out Rasiak and Skacel, his only spending was hiring Pearson and bringing in loans like Perry and Wright - which as they probably saved us from relegation was a pretty prudent move. It's a good question though, what exactly did Lowe do to change/influence what was going on when the club were clearly overspending? From the outside it appears he did nothing.

The lack of any Lowe out movement is purely down to there not being an alternative, should one raise his head then the "anyone but Lowe" opinion will surely be the most popular again. Of course "anyone but Lowe" could mean out of the frying pan into the fire but when your ass is being fried like a piece of bacon you might as well jump and try to miss the fire. It's just one sad sad state of affairs, IMO admin is inevitable. There is not even a hint of a take over and our only hope is for Jan and co to do the business. A change of manager now could work but would be very risky. We had one chance, and that was to get a good manager in during the summer and build a team who could punch above their weight and grind out enough points to stay in this league. We chose a crazy dutch total football experiment and just have to hope it works.

In terms of making dumb decisions, sacking Pearson for this Dutch clown will prove to be up there with the Steve Wigley episode IMO.

I tend to agree with this to an extent, the problem, is I don't think we have a chance of staying up with the way thing are. These kids cannot handle the pressure of playing at home at the moment - imagine how bad they will be during the REAL pressure of a relegation dog-fight. The games at the moment are relatively pressure free, experience is worth it's weight in gold when things get serious. IMO we will only stay up if we have a mid-season purple patch. If things are still so poor come Xmas I think we would be wise to bin the experiments and get a proper gaffer in.

The main reason fans are staying away is because the team is ****, the Championship is **** and people are not spending money like they were before the crunch. However Lowe is a factor for the fan who doesn't mind **** football and has a bit of disposable income. If he had came in, showed a bit of humility, apologised for his previous ****-ups and outbursts towards the fans it might have helped. What he did though was come in and sack a perfectly good manager who was popular with the fans. He basically slapped every fan in the face and said like it or not I'm doing what I want, your opinion counts for nothing. If he wanted to lose all support he couldn't have gone about it any better, you have to question his intelligence in that respect.

I have to agree with GM on this one, whatever your views on the muppets running SFC, now is not the time for boycott's etc. I hate Lowe with a passion, and understand why people would not want to line his pockets but there is little or no alternative - the club needs support - it's as simple as that. Staying away because of Lowe is just a poor excuse for being a fairweather.

I'm fed up with hearing this, football is as much about defending as it is attacking - look at the stats/league table - we are NOT playing good football. We are playing open attractive attacking football, which looks good going forward but clearly DOES NOT WORK in this league with these players and this manager.

Being so close to admin surely doesn't tie in with the fact that we have brought in 12 players plus given Perry a contract since last season? Championship clubs on the brink don't sign players on loan from Chelsea or 3rd choice keepers from Spurs. Plus spend decent money on untried French kids. We might be skint but I expect admin is quite a way off, Lowe is not exactly renowned for throwing money around we don't have.

The whole bunch of them need the bullet.

I agree that the gamble was the best thing to do, we should have done it the first season down instead we got Lowe's laughable 90k "repromotion" attempt. Wilde was right to gamble the following season but when the parachutes ran out we should have consolidated and planned long term, promotion that year was so unlikley it made the gamble very foolish.

I thought Duncan came across very well and I agreed with pretty much all he had to say. The only exception was his views on Leon Crouch. whilst Crouch wasn't in control when we stupidly ran up the clubs debts he was still part of the decision making during the whole going Wilde **** up. If I could be convinced that Crouch could run the club as a viable business I would definitely prefer to have him running the club to Lowe. This whole dutch head coach/Lowe DOF thing is a disaster. We have some good players, we could stay up with a decent manager no problem.

Getting to the cup final was the start of the decline IMO. As a footballing achievement it means next to naff all, the win against Spurs was good but what followed was a spectacularly lucky run of games (luck that we were long overdue). Any club from the top two leagues could have pulled off what we did - just like Millwall did just after. Getting to the cup final (and into Europe - as if they were two seperate achievements) just feeded Lowe's ego. He thought he was some sort of genius and that Saints had gone to "the next level" meaning that when he had to next choose a manager he didn't have to listen to anyone, we wouldn't go down so he could **** about with managers as he saw fit. If our chairman understood the nature of football and wasn't as arrogant we probably would have built on our cup final season.

Agree with your sentiments about Lowe but never ever want Saints to lose. Win, lose or draw tomorrow will make no difference to wether Lowe stays or goes, it just makes relegation and administration/liquidation more likley.