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Incidentally, Adrian Edmondson is playing at The Brook at the end of October. EDDIE!!!!!

a bit Justin Lee Collins for example?

i think his profile may be non-searchable to non-friends.

FUN GAME!

On Facebook today ... Lancashire: After beating him 7-0 Craig Mckay wanted a rematch...which he got beat 8-0...Fifa lesson right there! James: Bout time u grow up and leave that game alone for 5mins I lol'd

you'd have to be mad to fly wth them.

It's not acutally that simple it it though? Blackberries would have been more apt.

Isn't homophobia hilarious? :cool:

just one ticket?

amen to that. I'm guessing you wouldn't be saying that if you'd just been made redundant though.

jeez Johnny ... take a chill pill! What do you expect anybody to do about it? By declaring it inevitable, nobody is saying it isn't sad. Jobs will be lost in recessions, people will die in wars; that's just the way of the world I'm afraid.

I thought it was a common knowledge that The Times was pro-Labour. Murdoch is a well know Labour donor isn't he?

well, I guess market forces will dictate that those jobs need to go, whereas we'll need the teachers to get on with teaching the kids. Unless ... you know something I don't;)

sure, i agree

whatever. his first goal was already in, and his second debatably came off the defender. It just proves that you can use stats to prove anything.

bear in mind that the first two 'goals' could easily have not been credited to him.

... but is Socialist?

Sure, but my point stands. If you're trying to skew the pay of 'teachers', you should be aware that their pay packets often incorporate additional allowances for extra responsibilities outside of their usual remit. £30148 is the maximum salary a teacher can earn unless they apply, and are approved, to be paid using a higher scale upon completion of at least six years service, or are gaining additional pay in the ways referred to above.

I don't think so, no ... but importantly it wasn't about teachers! Teachers don't authorise the purchase of photocopiers as per your £35k example. In fact, you'd be amazed at the number of state school Heads who now come in from an industry (read 'private sector') background, and many schools have 'business managers' who essentially run the money side of things. Any errors in this side of things have very little to do with 'teachers', if, by teachers, you mean the people teaching the kids.

I was just gonna say that myself! What a stunner of a post that was ... Blair and Brown's Labour = Socialist. Yeh ... whatever!

That's hardly a phenomena unqique to independent schools. In fact, with state schools living or dying by their league table position, it's probably even more of an issue in state schools.

Only if you think the initial salary was acceptable. It looks ridiculous from where I'm sititng, although I don't have the economic foresight to adjust it for inflation and thus put it into perspective. If you think teachers have had it too good when it comes to pay rises, I think you're misguided. You should probably note, the £34k figure quoted is based on classroom teachers who also have extra pay for additional roles and responsibilities and / or are being paid based on higher pay scales than standard. The basic pay scales can be found here . £30,842 is the basic salary of a teacher who has been in the profession for six years or more, unless they have additional roles or have been accepted onto a higher pay scale for strong performers.

"the public sector" as the umbrella term that you keep banding around is quite different to "teachers", despite the fact that the teaching prfoession is part of the public sector; that's my point. You keep on discussing what you want though, that's not my problem!

Are you implying they've had no pay rise since 2002 - as that simply isn't true!?!?!?

A link which has nothing to do with the original conversation.