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You'd have loved me today Stu, I was right old grunt of the infantry. Took my nephew to Bovington and ended up getting roped into being a part of the demonstration in their arena. Togged up in army gear, given a rifle, some basic training and thrown in the back of a FV432 to go into battle. Piece of pss, don't know what the fuss was all about;)

that children are our future (OMG I didn't even realise I was quoting Lowe and Poortvliet when I thought of that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Indeed. Piece of pss, don't know what the fuss is all about. Tanking is easy;)

Stay confident fella. As conifdent as I was when I was behind the wheel of a 432 this afternoon:D

Keeps us alive and still not adrift. This point isn't that bad, it's just the Charlton result is the shtter.

But we have to get points to close that gap. They're 5 points ahead, with a game in hand and only 5 games left to overhaul them. Them losing and us losing is no good I'm afraid. We're not out of it, but only 1 out of Norwich, FOrest and us are going to survive and we must be least favourites out of those three.

I have to disagree. IMHO we certainly don't have a team capable of pushing for promotion, but I do think we have underperformed. We're bad, but I don't think we'e as bad as we have been playing (if you catch my drift).

And there was me thinking he was just having a quiet game!!!!!! Must take more notice of team line ups!!

I'm still predicting a Saints win and a Barnsley loss and we'll stay up. COYR!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Try and forget about it for 90 minutes!!!!!!!

Have to say that alot of that is exactly what I am thinking at the moment. I'm just not comfortable with this scattergun approach to throwing money into a bucket, without there first being a clearly identified and explained rationale. I know there is this dilemna regarding keeping the Club alive and not contributing, but I just don't think this should be done in an unorganised and unstructured manner. And as for the OP and Channon's comments, then they are very valid as well. Where else would you get grassroots customers chipping in their cash, only for it to be paid to very rich footballers, just so that "their" Club survives???????

Thanks for that Derry. So to paraprhase you're not collecting any money just yet, just getting ready to press the emergency button and potentially be an alternative if nothing else comes off???? I therefore think that Crouch and/or the Administrator need to come forward and explain just what this £500,000 is all, about as I'm alightly confused about what this part is all about (although we at least know that your initiative isn't involved in this other initiative).

Everything I have found suggests that the points deduction came into play at the start of the 2004/05 season Crisis clubs to be docked 10 points By Paul Brown Friday, 26 September 2003 Nationwide league clubs that go into administration from the start of next season will be handed an automatic 10-point penalty under new rules agreed by the Football League yesterday. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/crisis-clubs-to-be-docked-10-points-581236.html And I think the Derby issue was regarding their restructuring and administration in October 2003 (i.e. after the ruling, but before it came into effect).

But it was a much reduced dividend, and I think 0.5p from memory which would be just under £150,000 so not massive, but at the same time given the ensuing massive reduction in income, it may not have been the best message to be sending out.

But was it implemented the following season as the editorial part seems to suggest????? Although people keep referring to Derby, I have yet to find any evidence that they did indeed manage to circumvent the league's "rules" on this (happy for someone to come up with something).

People all have their own opinions on this and I very much doubt that they will be swayed from them, so therefore I have to agree that we would do better if we just put all this behind us and moved on. I think we should all be careful to ensure the same mistakes are not repeated, but we now have to look forward and try and ignore anyone who attempts to rake up the past, or who causes division or rancour. PS the last bit was not aimed at St Marco, more at those prevously associated with our Club who seem intent on continuing to drag it's name through the mud.

LMFAO I think that actaully proves my point exactly (plus I can't spell viscous!!!!)

A scrappy, flukey and lucky win, followed by a draw Friday. We had better not manage to stay up, only for the League to pull the rug from under us!!!

LMFAO. Of course I spoke to David Jones, he's a very nice guy and I can remember the phone conversation vividly. He was very helpful (as usual) and went out of his way to provide various pieces of information, as well as confirm most of what I thought was indeed correct. I've been correcting you for ages on here (and I notice you conveniently ignored me picking you up with regards the overdraft a couple of days ago). It's your typical style of bluster and knee jerk posting, only to go away and realise that actually you weren't exactly right. That is then followed by your finest trait of never admittig you were wrong and then conveniently try to divert and deflect attention away from your errors and false assumptions. And I've also provided numerous facts and figures on here, very often to counteract your false claims, so to suggest I never provide my own figures really is fantasy stuff (In fact I'm sure some people are bored of all the figures I sometimes quote up on here). The latest being regards the overdraft a couple of days ago and before that I have provided a variety of figures e.g. all the figures relating to the initial construction loan and long term loans to the eventual loan notes which you were extremely confused with and continued to misinterpret (or maybe you've conveniently forgotten how you claimed the £8m increase in "loans" as an injection of capital in your analysis). I'm sure I don't have the facts and figures for everything Saints related and I'm sure I have got some stuff wrong in the past and not understood others, there's nothing wrong with admitting that, after all we're all fallible. However, with you it's no wonder you're so closely allied to Lowe as you would appear to share so many of the same personality traits. And if we're calling other people's judgement in to question, then maybe you need to look closer to home to see how your support for Lowe is just as poor (if not poorer) as he failed us miserably, not once, but on two occasions (then agan, like Lowe you probably htink it is everyone elses fault). So to end, how about answering the question regarding the overdraft during Crouch's tenure, as you seem to have overlooked it (again)

Although Wilde has always avoided the media (well most of the time anyway) and whilst Crouch appears only to look forwards, there can be no denying that Lowe is the bigger pull, not least due to his faux pas and quotes in the past, so agree it's because they think it will fill some airtime or some column inches. But I have to disgaree with this guys. At this time we should be united in finding a way out of the current situation and the sniping from the sidelines does no one any good, particularly in the mainstream media. It can still cause division and controversy. No one should be bigger than the Club and in doing these rounds Lowe is putting himself before the good fo the Club which is unforgiveable. He should either honourably withdraw from these situations or maybe even muck in with trying to find a way out. Going public at this time serves only one thing, to satisfy Lowe's ego, and we've had enough of that over the years.

I don't think there are many who are relishing or celebrating administration, and I think that even the very small minority who think it might be the dawning of a new era will soon realise it comes at a price. Most sensible people realise that many have contributed to our demise and I don't think people see it in the same black and white terms (i.e. Lowe = bad, Crouch = good) as you think they do. There will always be debate how that blame should be apporitioned, but as Crouch was continually saying last night, now is not the time for recriminations, mud slinging and raking up te past. I'm not overly comfortable with the same "faces" popping up again, but just as Richards was involved on Saturday, it probably is seen as a needs must situation in this current hour of need. I would certainly like to see someone else put there head above the parapet, but in the absence of that I would take anyone taking a lead to get us out of this abyss. Hell, if Lowe and Wilde stepped up, threw in some money, apologosed and seemed sincere I would even have them doing something (then again that may be too counter productive). I certainly want a fresh start going forward, but at the moment we are in a desperate state and I for one welcome Crouch's donation and attempt to drum up support (although I would also like the situation clarified a bit more).

Derry, Can you clear up what this initiative is supposed to be doing? Is it tying in with the "we must raise £500k PDQ" just to see the season out? Is it a fund to keep us ticking over throughout the summer until a buyer or an alternative can be found? Is it setting up a fund to potentially "buy" the Club if no one else comes forward? How does it tie in with anyone elses initiatives (Crouch, other fans groups, other consortiums)? Not knocking this at all, I just think there is a lot of confusion at the moment (at least I had idea about the £500k until Crouch mentioned it last night) and you seem to be somewhere near the sharp end. CHEERS

-10 after invoking the "exceptional circumstances" rule, announced 4:45. Suspended until the end of the season. Applied if we finish out of the bottom three (which would mean relegation), or if we are relegated anyway to apply from the start of the next season in Div 3. Saints/administrator to suggest we will appeal, but in all intents and purposes it will be game over.

They're the only two reasons I can think of, but like you am open to other offers: 1) It's a PR tour to try and win over the hearts and minds of supporters and other interested parties before he forms a consortium to come back a third time, or 2) He has a very bruised ego and is going out of his way to try and save face and let it be known it wasn't his fault.