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I've been saying all season that the two best ways of filling the stadium are: 1. Good results, particularly at home. It's quite a simple concept (but I accept one that is sometimes hard to deliver), but people will undoubtedly come along if they think they're going to get goals, be entertained and see the team win. We never managed that from the off this season due to some very poor decisions regarding the replacement/appointment of managers added to a very suspect strategy with regards tactics, starting line up, formation, transfer dealings etc etc etc. And in absence of that: 2. Engender a spirit of togetherness and community spirit. IMHO there was no way Lowe (or Wilde) were going to be able to pull this one off. IMHO they have no pull on the suporters and they do not command the respect and support of the grass roots of this Club. They were not the tow figureheads that people were ever going to rally around in this Club's hour of need. In fact, on too many occasions , Lowe has sought to confront and antagonise the support base. Additionally, their appaling footblling decisions (in 1. above) meant that seeking people's support was always going to be an uphill challenge. It is a sorry state to be in that we have to go through such a disastrous (and IMHO avoidable) season to get to a point when the supporters feel they can now rally around the Club. Sorry, but absolutely inevitable given how the CLub has been run in recent years.

Have you??? It's normal for you to make them up, bullsht, post on here and then haveto get them removed. You just can't help yourself.:---):---) Troll, bullshtter, Corp Ho - I'm just not sure.

What part can I disagree with???? Thomson was completely out of his depth, the game just passed him by. The midfield formation was poor. No bite in the middle with Wotton and McGoldrick too far apart, with Wotton in particular too deep. No real width and when we changed it we played the wide men on the wrong flanks (plus Smith is very poor). Saga and Euell got very poor service. I agree the manager got quite a lot wrong today. As you can see I can't really disagree with much at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Taken from my match report bit: As for the trouble at the end, bit of a nothing really. There were about 15-20 Charlton giving it large all afternoon (even moving seats just after half time to give a different stand some abuse from behind the netting) who came out only to be met by something like 500+ disappointed Saints fans in the North car park. The police quickly coralled the 15-20 rather worried looking Charlton fans back against the exit gate and then eventually took them back inside for their own safety.

I don't think you are reading it correctly. I was saying that I don't remember Lowe getting any stick (not he should have) for bringing Sturrock in a fortnight after originally saying Wigley would be caretaker for the 13 games until the end of the season when WGS left.

Considering we just shipped three goals at home and lost to the worst team in this division. then I have to say your marks are rather generous. I'm all up for being positive and optimistic, but surely you've been too generous.

They are buying the golden share that let's them enter a football club n the league and with it the potential to get that team in to the top flight. That's the only long term thing, players will come and go.

Absolutely. They'd have to be rather dumb not to realise that we're rather sht on the footballing front, after all the table doesn't lie. Get that part right (and I accept it is a difficult task) then the potential is clearly there.

I would have been. Today showed what can be achieved with some common sense and soem decent management. Forget the rubbish on the pitch, people would hve seen what this Club could be. If the deal is right, then hopefully someone can see the potential.

And before Exit2 says it, our old friend LongLifeSaint/Cherry was in the same row as me (but over the other side of the little metal barrier in the corporates)!!!!!!!!!!

It's still not over, but if we can't beat Charlton at home then it is a fair enough question to ask just where are we going to get these points from!!! Have to say we were very poor all over the pitch and lacked passion, commitment, guts and spirit. Whilst the crowd turned up and were up for it, it would appear the team and Wotte didn't manage to match that enthusiasm. Tactics didn't look good and once again I don't think the 4-1-2-1-2 formation worked. Wotton sat too deep and McGoldrick is no centre midfielder. Wotte didn't get the formation right and we never managed to outplay a rather poor Charlton side. Wat was surprising was that our normal rock solid defence looked as thought they hadn't played together. Don't know whether Thomson playing affected them, but Saeijs in particular had a poor game. Now here's for the player scores. Davis - 6 - Saved a penatly and some other good saves Thomson - 1 - I'm not crushing the guy, just saying how I saw it, but he was just out of his depth. the game passed him by Saeijs - 4 - Not his usual self at all. Perry - 5 - With Thomson and Saeijs not at the races he suffered. Skacel - 6 - Seemed as though he was playing on his own at times Lallana - 4 - Didn't really do anything Wotton - 4 - As with Lallana and was to deep to really contribute McGoldrick - 4.5 - Good goal, but nothing else really. Surman - 4 - The odd forward run, but fairly anonymous Saga - 5 - Huffed and puffed, a couple of good efforts, a couple of poor efforts Euell - 5 - Tried to do his, but as with Saga there was no midfield support. Subs: BWP - 5 - Actually looked OK Smith - 4 - Got loads of the ball, but did nothing with it Liptak - 4 - Not on long enough and only put on upfront. As for the trouble at the end, bit of a nothing really. There were about 15-20 Charlton giving it large all afternoon (even moving seats just after half time to give a different stand some abuse from behind the netting) who came out only to be met by something like 500+ disappointed Saints fans in the North car park. The police quickly coralled the 15-20 rather worried looking Charlton fans back against the exit gate and then eventually took them back inside for their own safety.

The turnaround that Crouch demonstrated with regards D & G and Pearson was no different from Lowe's turnaround when he installed Wigley until the end of the season and then did a 180 degree turnaround. At the time Lowe said: "He has agreed to take charge of the first team until the end of the season", "Wigley understands the importance of the next 13 games", "we will take the necessary time to explore our options". I'm not trying to make this a Lowe v Crouch thing at all, just trying to show that Lowe did exactly the same thing when he was in charge and he quite rightly never came in for any stick about it, nor did anyone use it as a reson for questioning his judgement.

I'd want bullshtters/trolss like you right in front of me where I can see you.

Behave yourself and move on.

In Block 4 or Block 10:rolleyes::rolleyes:

It is indeed a pity (I'd go for a rather stronger word in there though) that the euphoria and wave of optimism didn't carry on from the Sheff Utd game, but as we all know, a new Board came in and took us down another route entirely. I also wonder what Mark Wotte will make of today's gate and atmosphere????

I would have to agree Phil, in that this year has been a disaster on and therefore off the pitch, which meant rather than being a season of potantial survival and taking stock, it just ensured we slipped down further. Did it affect finding invesmtent?? I have no idea. I suppose relegation could have an issue on whether people would come in for us, but then again there are also a myriad of other issues in play.

Aer you talking about Sturrock's short tenure or Wigley's short tenure following him????? If it's Wigley's then I'd definitely agrre with you. But the reason for bringing the Wigley Caretakership until the end of the season (after WGS left) line into the debate, was merely to highlight how temporary, transient and flexible caretaker managers are following the departure of the previous incumbent. Lowe stated clearly that Wigley was manager until the end of the season, but something like a fortnight and 3 games later unveiled Sturrock. Nothing wrong with that at all and he was not criticised for doing that (not that I can remember anyway!!).

I have always maintained that we dillied and dallied too much when it was likely that Burley would up and leave, but in the grand scheme of things, D & G overstaying their tenure by 3 or 4 games is hardly the most henious crime of the century (even if the decision swung one way and then another over 10 days). After all, it was announced that Wigley was in charge until the end of the season when Strachan left, only to be replaced a fortnight later by Sturrock. I don't remember Lowe getting stick for changing his mind so quickly (and rightly so).

Just one quick point regards the money on deposit when he left before I go out - that season saw us lose £9m cash on normal operations (even after allowing for a £7m parachute payment) so the underlying problem was already there, and the main reason why our bank balance was OK was because we had received £16m from the proceeds of player sales that year. The underlying problem has been there ever since we fell out of the top flight (sure further mistakes were made by many, but the underlying issue was dropping from circa £50m income to £14m)

My fear is that he and others will just be Walking Away.

Really?? Apart from glossing over the part things like Wigley and Lowe played in the initial relegation, forgetting SCW and the doomed repromotion season, Rasiak being the first on to the wage bill under Burley, losing ,illions the first season down, the fact that the inverted snobbery is rather ignorant when many are happy to judge people by their results, the fact that others apart from lowe should indeed be blamed, with some of them coming out and saying so in the local media, no mention of this dreadful season, no Poortviet etc etc etc. I really could go on, but there's quite a bit inthere that could be argued another way.

Not this time, but he was introduced by none other than Chris Iwelumo;) I too can't be bothered to watch it yet as I'm off out and want to enjoy my evening:D

Indeed. Thank's for the clip round the ear (and that's not in a sarcastic manner, but unstead in a fair enough manner, as there are indeed bigger fish to fry out there).

Then perhaps you missed the post above, along with forgetting the post a few months back where you replied to me on here saying "fair play" for admitting supporting Wilde was the wrong call. Funny how you can manage to drag up posts from 4 years ago, yet ignore those posted 4 minutes ago and forget those posted 4 months ago LOL. And yet your record of backing the loser Lowe is somewhat worse given your support of him back in 2005 and again in 2008. If we were to apply your logic to this forum you would have been barred from May 2005;) (cue the reply of "I didn't support Lowe in 2005 and 2008 yawn, yawn, yawn).