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I think the issue might also be the fact that Murray and others have dipped into their own pockets, have developed a real empathy with their supporters, is respected, has only made a couple of cck ups etc etc etc. Seriously, the bond between Charlton's board, it's supporters and the community is way, way different to ours and so is the reputation and legacy of those in charge. We may be in the same position, but how we both got here is massively different (the only common bond being 3 in a season and our current positions). With Lowe the number, repitition and magnitude of the cck ups is the problem (and there are many, many, many others as well on top of that, whereas Murray et al have got nowhere near his record of bumbling incompetency).

I can't vouch for the other results, but I too think we will pull it off tomorrow. As with the Swansea match, I reckon the support will be good and PNE will come unstuck. 2-1 win

But we're nothing like Charlton. They have Directors who have pumped in some decent wonga into their club. They have a progressive and inclusive vision about the relationship and the importance of their supporters. Their supporters, board and club have a very strong bond, built over a period of sustaining campaigning and protests just to keep their club alive, then to reclaim The Valley and then to rebuild The Valley. We might be about to be on that road of rebuilding our Club, so maybe the comparison might be true in 20 years time. The only thing in common with us is that they also found out that by going through 3 managers in a season is probably a sure fire way to get relegated.

German made, for sure, but a staple part of many countries (including Hollands) armour.

It looks as though Lowe's PR advisor is now working full time with Wotte.:rolleyes: Someone get him out of the firing line, please. Wotte, Hou je mond dicht

It reads: PROUD OF OUR BOYS

We won't be throwing it all away, it will still be there, all that might be going is the shell company. The Football Club will remain in whatever guise that may be. Even if the worst came to the very worst, a new Southampton Football Club will be playing football somewhere, even if it is some way down the footballing pyramid!!!!! I'm not saying that it won't be painful (because I think it will cause us problems for a long,long time), but it won't wipe away the past and it certainly won't prevent us having a future. I took us until 1897 to become a limited company (Southampton Football & Athletic Company Limited), we didn't get into the Football League until the 1920's and because we may have to be reborn under some other legal/formal name, it will not mean The Saints will not have a past, a present nor a future.

SISA have about 4 shares. I presume that despite their stance they've bought these to ensure they get entry to such meetings. I think Perry goes in as the shareholder representatve of SISA (although I think I rememebr he may even have a couple of his own for the same reason) and as you say Chorley goes as someone elses (???) proxy. However, the rules are fairly strict in that only shareholders can/should speak at these meetings (proxy's certainly shouldn't be given an audience if you're going by the rules). I think (happy to stand corrected) it was at last years AGM when Wiseman waived this. PS I'm not sure what the rules are regarding proxy's making gestures such as tossing 30 pieces of silver are!!!!!

I mentioned this in another post as the way it has panned out these two should be hanging their heads in shame You've managed to lose one manager in two weeks and then another in six months!!!!!!!! About the only one they have delivered on, of course the other side is that by paying peanuts they've certainly delivered monkeys. And so far we've lost Pearson, Poortvliet, Hockaday, Webster (have I missed anyone out?). I think if the price was right, we'd be knocking out players, that sais I don't really think we've got any left who would attract the buyers. Probably regretting that one!!!!! And regretting that one as well!!!! And they have of course cashed in on the Bale future payments. PR is not really one of Lowe's strong points, so he really should have kept quiet on this one. I never really go this one, but we've had our own McGoldrick and BWP little saga. The problem with coming out with stuff like this is that it will probably come back and bite you on the ar5e, and in this instance it has smacked them straight in the chops.

Don't you think it would be good of the Club to share such information with its supporters (not the nitty gritty of course), after all Hockaday was lauded as an integral part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up not too long ago???? They sing it from the rooftops when they want to and then brush it under the carpet. And what do you think of the reply that the Echo has covered it, but we won't??? There's some great mutual respect being shown by the Club here. Who's in charge of PR???

Would be interested to know what provoked his posturing and pontificating at the very start of the meeting. I wonder what made him open up the AGM in such a provocative and unnecessary manner. Did he get an evil eye from Duncan, did Perry give him a secret V. When you deliver the opening gambit and set the tone for the rest of the meeting, it's rather hard to imagine how you could have been provoked:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Of that day;)

Ditto

He's certainly not as bad as Poortvliet. If some good came out of Poortvliet's tenure, it's that the Branfoot household raised a cheer that he might not be deemed our worst manager anymore!!!!

I certainly don't see Administration as the magic wand that will solve all of our problems, but conversely I don't see it as the end of the Club either. Certainly the end of Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC, but there will always be a Southampton Football Club. The existing Ltd Co. wasn't formed in 1885 and just because we may have to change the ownership again means nothing if the heart of the Club is still there. I'm sure it won't be pretty the other side of Administration and I'm sure it will be hard work (probably for many years), but I refuse to accept that administration will be the death of my Southampton Football Club.

Did I miss that????? PS WHat time did you get away last night??? We ended up staying up until 2 sorting it all out!!!!

If you wanted to look for what will cost the Club's existence, then I think you would do better to look at (a) Why we lost tens of millions from the top line which put us into a position where our finances became untenable, and (b) Why we are going down to Division 3 and therefore almost definitley administration. The two years in between these episodes also saw some ridiculous and reckless decisions (the second year being much worse than the first), but the overriding factors which could cost the Club's existence come eother side of these.

Two things. Firstly this debate was with reference to Lowe's perceived behaviour at the AGM. It's bad enough having Jonah divert the issue, without having you pop up with your little gems:rolleyes:. If you want to create another thread with regards Crouch's poor behaviour at the AGM or his worst mistakes then feel free to start another thread. Secondly, you're obviously struggling with the concept of what goes on at AGM's and how for many shareholders/supporters it's the only time they get to question the board on their performance in recent months and their plans going forward. AGM's aren't just supposed to be about approving accounts, appointing auditors etc, they're an integral part of how the Company and it's Board interacts with it's shareholders. You would expect the Board to outline it's strategy going forward, outline where it has been and it is totally normal and good practice for shareholders to question the Board on either.

I'll certainly be going along again. In Bar Risa before and then a leisurely stroll with friends and like minded supporters to register our point. It was a really good atmosphere last time, about the only thing in recent times that had a spirit of camaraderie and pleasantness about it (certainly not the bloodbath I saw some idiot predict on another list!).

As we found out to our cost in the last days of the Premiership, when different managers brought in different players to play different styles and these different managers all had different favourites etc etc etc. There's definitely fall out when you get relegated and have to replace the "Premiership Stars" [sic], but IMHO, the managerial merry go round has once again contributed to our demise. Ignoring Wise & Basset and D & G, we've had 5 managers in the three and a half seasons we've been down.

Of course it's irrelevant Phil. 99% of the stuff on this board is irrelevant and the vast majority of stuff revolves around subjective and hypothetical viewpoints and opinions. "What ifs", "If only" and "I'd play ...." are part and parcel of being a football fan. Thinking of "what might have been" with regards Pearson is obviously something people will be saying, particularly given that the decision was in our hands, he's doing really well and we're doing really sht. You could never prove one way or the other whether under Pearson we would be 24th or 4th, but given the nature of the game and the current scenario, it's always going to be brought up. Chill out fella, at least you don't get to experience all this sht first hand at matches, us poor buggers get to watch it all go tts up right in front of us.

He's just misunderstood. Get to know him and he's a very decent and honest fella (although he does overdo the hair due and sunbeds)

Diversions, tangents, scraping the bottom of the barrel, we've had them all on here. The bottom line is that judging from the majority of responses on here, Lowe's PR has been found wanting since his return. Of course, there are some who still see no problem with it (:rolleyes:), but the whole idea of PR is winning over the masses, something that Lowe has so obviously failed on. Whether it be from the opening gambit of the "Nine Points" letter which formally opened the battle (Oh, how those "Nine Points" should be reviewed again given the current debacle) through to his disastrous handling of the AGM, this has once again been shown as an area where Lowe is out of touch with his customers/supporters. Therefore, IMHO the original inference that Lowe hasn't done too bad on that front falls down even when you only scratch the surface. He's got "better", but when you originally rivalled Ratner in your ability to alienate and discourage your customers, it was pretty hard to get worse. Lowe should be defended for some of the things he has done for this Club and I have defended and supported him when it was justified, but the blinkered support of his behaviour at the AGM (albeit by only one poster) is, well, I don't want to appear rude, so let's just call it ill-judged:smt048:smt048

Four of those players have got 12 starts between them!!!!!!! Oakley, Howard and Fryatt are regulars, but there's obviously some misinformation doing the rounds if Ponty and you still think they have the Championship squad from last season. That said, even if they did (which they don't), it was a Championship side that wasn't worthy of being a Championship side and as we found out the hard way, getting promoted is not that easy. The three who are regulars above plus Dyer are the stalwarts. Then there are youngsters/loanees such as King, Hobbs, Martin, Gilbert, Morrison, Mattock etc. and a few other decent free transfers such as Dyer. Very often, the majority of the team that Pearson has been playing with have been youngsters brought in on loan, or youngsters from Leicester's Academy, and the team bears little resemblence to the one that got relegated last season. And some of them were the same players who were relegated last season, so I'm not sure why you should be wnking your legs off over them. Pearson may not be the next Hot Young British Managerial Prospect, but he has done a mighty fine job rebuilding a new Leicester squad and turning them into promotion favourites. The idea that he has just waltzed in and taken an underperforming Championship team and dusted them down couldn't be farther from the truth. Here's something I posted a while back when someone else trotted out the same lazy line without doing any research. You may want to have a rethink about what Pearson has at his disposal and it is also worth noting that just because a team gets relegated, it doesn't automatically mean they will bounce back (as we found out to our cost!!). Here was his team from recently when people were moaning that he would only play older players who would have cost a fortune. When you consider the number of loanees, frees and youngsters then maybe you might want to reconsider your view that he is using the same players as last season. Here's his side today: 4 loanees 11 of the squad are 23 or under (7 are 20 or under) Martin - 23 (on loan) Gilbert - 21 (on loan) Morrison - 20 (new in) Hobbs - 20 (on loan) Berner - 31 (new in) Oakley - 31 Andy King - 20 Cleverley - 19 (on loan) Dyer - 26 (new in) Fryatt - 22 Howard - 32 Subs: Pentney - No age or data (but young) Chambers - 18 Gradel - 21 Mattock - 18 Dickov - 134

So that's: Charlton (H) Watford (A) Wolves (A) Palace (H) in 10 days. I think we could know at the end of those games whether we're down or not.