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It only needs Wilde to withdraw his support for Lowe as CEO and his position then becomes untenable IMHO (the starting point for voting would be 37% v 26% against Lowe). Any other major shareholder in addition to that (Richards, Askham, Withers etc) would be a bonus and woudl definitely seal his fate. We should be looking to appoint a CEO and Chairman who can bring some uinity and more importantly, some decent decision making to this Club ASAP. And with that, I wouldn't rule out a new manager as well to see us through the last 1/3rd of the season.

So if you think it is OK to remove the manager half way through the season, what is so different removing the CEO?

We were not unlucky tonight, we just played really poorly and arguably deserved to lose. The fight and passion had gone, there wasn't much endeavour, skill or creativity. It was back to square one for me I'm afraid. Davis - 5 - Lost a bit of confidence and seemed to pull his hand away for their winner when he could have saved it. James - 2 - Time to be honest and say he is no full back Size - 5 - Mixed it up a bit, but got done big time for the winner Perry - 6 - Must wonder what is going on around him Surman - 5 - He's no full back either, but he did score McGlaggon - 2 - Not up to it Wotton - 5 - Tried hard, but never replicated his effort against Swansea Lallana - 4 - The game passed him by too much Gillett - 4 - Another one not cut out for it Mcgoldrick - 2 - I think I'm a tad biased but he is rubbish. Shirked challenges and scuffed every chance he had. Saga - 7 - Started really brightly and was head and shoulders above the rest, but then tailed off as the team left him isolated Subs: Euell - 7 - Our best player when he came on (he really should be starting) BWP - 5 - Never capitalised on the space he was given Schinderlin - 1 - Looked disinterested and off the pace Wotte has been distancing himself from the previous 28 game regime (which is pretty sly IMHO), but sadly match 31 tonight fitted in well alongside those other 28 matches.

Were you saying the same about Poortvliet?

So we're in agreement then that the current reporting is **** poor and will have to agree to disagree over the quality and impartiality of their past reporting.

I only think Lallana and Surman would have gone if mega wonga was offered, as I imagine their wages are not much of a concern. I can understand the logic of letting them go if we got a huge fee in the january window, but there isn't much sense in letting them go on loan just to save a couple of mid ranking wages. I would have thought the players we will be looking to offload in the loan window will be the high earners - Skacel, Euell, dare I say Saga etc.

Did you go to the match??? As I have to say I thought the atmosphere and support (given the numbers) was pretty good. I'm sure the battling performance by the players got the fans going, but I also think some of the passion from the march also transferred itself on to the terraces.

An up and at 'em 2-1 win. Down to 10 men when Wotton walks int he 84th minute.

You're allowed to take flags in that are under 6ft x 4ft without a fire certificate (had that direct from the Safety Officer). As for the Echo, I think it is safe to say that The Daily Echo have been in cahoots with the Club since last summer. At times you haven't been able to get a fag paper between them!!!! A shame realy as the Echo were always fairly even handed in their reporting, but this season they've been as cringeable as the OS at times. To some degree I can accept the propaganda spewed out by the OS, but the local paper should have a degree of independence and credibility about it. IMHO Simon Carter is out of the loop here, as he's the only one to have written anything remotely critical, and the real issue rests withhis boss Ian Murray. Can anyone point out when that number of people last marched through the City Centre???? They normally give a double page spread to 50 people fighting against a mobile phone mast, but probably the city's largest march in years gets scant coverage (and minimal publicity beforehand as well).

Meant to add it to the other Pulis thread that started today, but as usual me and techy things don't get along. As for the second point, I have been working hard from home today.

You forgot Pearce I thought I got to 12 before this window, and then we have added Saeijs, Molyneux and Liptak, so who is the missing player???? I would have to agree that such an influx of players may have been behind some of our problems on the pitch (and it certainly couldn't have helped our financial position). Whilst we certainly had to replace some players who had left, I do think a much more targeted and refined approach may have served us better.

I think a combination of the two, i.e. a large dash of loyalty mixed in with a slosh of being comfortable. Nothing wrong with that at all, and I personally have seen a number of close friends quality of life seriously diminish as they chase the big bucks and the status in their careers.

With 16 matches of the season left, I think it's fair to say I could be winning this wager!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a bit harsh!!! If Surman opts to stay with a club he has a big affinity with and wants to play a part in restoring it to it's former glory, then I have to say I think that's a very admirable stance. From a monetary perspective, even given an average Championship salary, he'd probably be earn close to £3m over a 10 year period, and whilst he could obviously earn more in the Premiership, he isn't going to be destitute. You might question his ambition, but the counter argument would be that loyalty and devotion are much more admirable qualities.

But don't you think there is an element of truth in that statement?? Firstly, as a team, we're second bottom after 30 games, so we're obviously not that good (although I accept having a Ducth Dinlo in charge hampered us somewhat). Secondly, as individuals, the saleable assets haven't really stood out and justified their intial hype (and price tag we probably put on them). Thirdly, I really would have expected us to sell at least a couple of players as although I'm sure the losses have been reduced, I can't believe we are not reliant on transfer income to keep us alfoat. The very fact we didn't would seem to indicate that people never came in with sizeable offers as they didn't rate any of our players. I'm sure there are a number of other complicating and even conflicting reasons, but I don't think it's unfair to say that few of our current squad interest other teams!

I think there well may be a case of that with regards Surman. Don't know enough about Lallana to judge one way or the other, but going back to Surman I understand he is committed to Saints.

I think there is some mileage in this point as well. As Lordswood has quite rightly pointed out, with the exception of Davies, I don't think any player has really performed that well this season and quite frankly, I don't really think we have that many saleable assets. Surman has gone off the boil and you would be buying him on the premise he can recapture some of his form from a while back. Lallana would definitely be bought only as a punt, because althoguh he undoubtedly has an abundance of talent, it hasn't manifested itself into a series of quality performances. After that, I struggle to see who else other clubs would be interested in.

I presume you mean hurt. HTH

Given the debacle that was our first season down - Woodward, Clifford, Redknapp, staged press conferences, player revolts etc etc etc, and given what has happened in his first season back, I struggle to believe that Lowe would have got us back to the Premiership. Lowe's return this season and the total cck up that it has been so far, only confirms that the decision to remove him the first time around was the correct one. That doesn't condone everything that happened post his removal, but the failings of others are a very poor reason for him staying on (or indeed returning). The very fact that we have a failed Lowe together with a failed Wilde is enough to make all sides weep.

You mean accepting. HTH

You'd be lucky to get more than three who think lowe and/or others are deliberately making these mistakes. It's just so illogical even if for this nerdy forum. You need to go and get some fresh air fella.

Absolutely. And being one of many who received his little PM, then I have to say that what appears on here is a toned down version of some of his ******. Marland must have a semblence of common sense, decency, logic and probably a touch of class about him, something The Bear / Flashman / Sundance / Nineteen could only dream of. Someone who goes out of their way to send unsolicited PM's and who launches into such tirades on here is either on a wind up or seriously unbalanced. Maybe slightly out of left field, but I find the nature, tone and syntax of his posts is very similiar to a loon/troll who used to post on here a while back, but who hasn't been around much - Corp Ho.

LOL. Can just imagine Lowe getting The Telegraph two days late and spitting his coffee out all over the paper, as he reads the line up.

You seem to have misinterpreted the content and nature of my post.:rolleyes: My post was in no way a dig at the Club (or anyone associated with it), I was merely commenting that one of our relegation rivals had appeared to have bolstered their defence (or not as the case may be) which may have a negative consequence on us. I would have made a similar comment had Watford managed to sign Curtis Davies from Villa on loan.