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But I don't think pure points is a fair way to judge how "rubbish" we are, after all it's pretty tough playing against United, Liverpool, Arsenal et al in the top flight. I did an analysis of Leauge position over the last 10, 20, 30 & 40 years a while back as someone had descrbed us as cannon fodder. Here's the results: Starting from the 2004 season (i.e. the one before we got relegated) and going backwards our average league position has been: 10 years to 1995 = 13th 20 years to 1985 = 13th 30 years to 1975 = 14th 40 years to 1965 = 15th I don't think anyone has ever claimed us to be up there with the big boys regularly fighting for trophies, but over the last 40 years to be 15th out of 92 in the footballing pyramid is a pretty good record. Going back 40 years to 1965 would probably cover the vast majority of those who come on this board, but even going back to late 1950's, we're probably still in the top 20.

Hello Mr Pot (PS weather was great)

Maybe, and I thought SCW might have been able to bring some knowledge in various areas that were transferable, but: a) It was never going to work whilst Redknapp was here. b) It diverted time, resources and money in our first season down which is your best chance of bouncing back, c) It created resentment amongst the playing and coaching staff (particularly when SCW brought in Clifford), d) There's a world of difference between bringing in transferable skills and processes and being appointed Director of Football!!!!! Just like the Revolutionary Coaching Set up last season, it was doomed to be a failure from the off.

Ahem, Redknapp was already here when the decision was made to bring in SCW. So just remind me who decided to proceed with such a ridiculous appointment given the circumstances at the time and the fact that the incumbent manager was never going to be happy with the situation? I wouldn't blame SCW, nor would I blame Redkanpp, and as you yourself ask, why did we go through with such an appointment?

And you are indeed entitled to your own opinion. But if yesterday's performance was worse than many of those games under Poortvliet last season (Doncaster, Forest, Barnsley, Watford etc etc etc) then I'm in for a shock!!!

Because: 1) You would regularly post in here telling us when you were going away for a long time (i.e. when you last went under the waves you were predicting Wotte would be our saviour and Plymouth would go down). 2) I have a good memory;) I haven't seen a game this season, but by the same token you missed some absolute stinkers last season. I lost count of the number of games that I classed as the worst I have ever seen (winning our second home league game in late February tells it's own story!!!!!!!!)

Just had a look at Charlton's attendances and was surprised that we had beaten them by quite a few thousand, despite them getting off to a flyer. Leeds only got 21,000+ yesterday, but as you say only a loon would consider us on a par with a club/city of their size. As for Norwich, well they certainly have something about them that many clubs (ourselves included) could learn from. An empathetic board who have a good relationship with their fanbase along with an intelligent ticketing process. They had already sold 17,000 season tickets for the 2009/10 season by February of this year!!!!! And interestingly their prices included a 20% discount if they were relegated to League One. So either judged on pure numbers, or as a comparison against last season under the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up or against our "peers", then only a loon would think 20,000 attendances in the Third Tier are poor.

Think yourself lucky that you didn't get to many games last season!!!!!!

Have to agree, particularly given the complete shambles on and off the pitch of last season it was always going to be a tough rebuilding process. I think a few have failed to see just how bad things were at the Club last year (that Porrtvliet interview was very sad reading) and have failed to appreciate the task ahead of us. However, I do think those that are craving immediate success are in the minority. IMHO there is a world of difference between most football fans having a moan about performances and a minority being unrealistic in their expectations. I don't think there's any contradiction in having a moan about poor performances (either by a player or the team as a whole), but at the same time being realistic with our expectations.

Have to agree 100% in that in Pardew I see/hear a similar response in respect of Pearson's honest assessments and endeavours. And IMHO I think that's what needed given our current situation. Pardew has inherited a shambles of a squad, demoralised by last year's Revolutionary Coaching Set Up, so if he's reading them the riot act and upsetting a few stars then fair play to him.

Have to agree, in that I was pleasantly surprised by the two circa 20.000 attendances (certainly surpassed the first two games of last season anyway). Despite the late release of season tickets and the poor results to date, yesterday's crowd was particularly pleasing for a Division Three team. I haven't been to a game yet, so the attendances will be up by one for the forthcoming games!!!!!

LMFAO. Of course he's a troll, always looking for the antagonistic angle;) (I see Matty is the latest stooge for his trolling). I thought Ponty confirmed it was the same person before I went away saying that 19C was afforded an amnesty after Sundance was banned. Now if it's his kids posting on here as well, then I think we need to as it would be wrong to be giving them a hard time if it's only their father who is the troll. Ponty et al, what's the form for different people using the same user name???

So did the troll confess to have all those multiple identities whilst I was away, or is he saying that it's his kids et al that are logging on????

I had to switch over as it was so cringeable watching him continually stare at the ground. Not the best interviewee. The montage they made up for him flattered him somewhat and made him out to be quote a deadly finisher!! Methinks the equivalent montage of his misses would take a lot longer to watch.

That's the problem with our local troll, in that he has posted so much stuff under so many guises (guises the mods knew nothing about until they allowed an amnesty;)), with so many varying viewpoints, all with the sole aim of winding people up that he forgets what he's done in the past:rolleyes::confused: Now of course it might just be that this post was by the Troll's son as his dad obviously won't let him play football at the weekend???

I can remember under one of his other guises (or was that his little boy posting from the same computer:rolleyes:) when the resident troll used to have a pop at all the Hagiology pulications as a way of having a dig at FF. Pity that he knows so little about the target for his trolling that he actually thought ITN meant Independent Television News:D;) Wes, is there a nest of trolls in the Sundance/Nineteen/Flashman/Third Bear et al's household?? Or has he just got an Octo-Polar Disorder???

LMFAO. You're going to have to help me out Wes as the latest revelations up here have me all confused!!!! Firstly Nineteen says he only joined the forum this year and was never Sundance/Flashman etc etc etc and the Mods on here say that they have no knowledge of 19C being a reincarnation of a banned poster. Then straight after that Ponty announces that 19C was previously Sundance and that he was allowed back under an amnesty (so the Mods did know he was a previously banned poster after all;) but told us otherwise, ummmmmmmmmm). However, despite this announcement by Ponty, 19C still continues to claim he wasn't Sundance et al!!! Now he has admitted to being the previously banned posters. But now there are other members in the same household logging on???? And he still has other user names???? There is indeed enough material for an entire conference LOL. Anyone got the number of a good shrink:rolleyes: As for the OP, being honest I'd take Pompey's position over ours as the Premiership is where the money is and money does indeed make the football world go round!!!! If they're facing relegation come next Spring, then that's a different matter entirely!!!!!!

What a sad epitaph to probably the most diastrous seasons in the Club's history! Poortvliet comes across as naive and thoroughly overwhlemed by what he had taken on. Someone who was clearly out of his depth (despite the impressive CV LOL) and who should never have been given the chance. How bitter and twisted must he have been to be pleased to see us relegated. Wotte comes across as the slimey chancer only too willing to put his own interests before anything else. The Revolutionary Coaching Set Up is shown to be a sham from the start, with the two main protagonists not able to get along (even trying to get each other sacked six months in!!!!). The Club doesn't come out of it well, apparently moving the goalposts with regards Poortvliet's contract before he even started (as poor as he was, it's hardly advisable to undermine and p1ss of the manager before he even starts!!!!). And then we end with more evidence of Lowe's day to day involvement in team affairs, something as FF mentions was apparent to all apart from those so blind. Looking at that interview we were doomed from the start and it was inevitable we would go down both in the league and in the finance stakes. However, I certainly don't subscribe to the view that administration and relegation were inevitable immediately after the Sheffiled United game in 2008. It would have been a tough season (or maybe a tough few seasons) and we would certainly have had to a fight an uphill battle both on and off the pitch, but the arrival of Lowe, Poortvliet and Wotte (and Van Der Waals!!!) just consigned any chance to the dustbin as the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up (which now extends to include Lowe!!!!) showed what it was capable of!!!! Hopefully last season will be shown to be the lowest point in the Club's recent history and we will start to climb the Leagues again, even if it does take some time to do that.

TBF I don't see NC having the final say as anything problematic. The ultimate decision on buying and selling players will be determined by the CEO/Chairman who will either have to sanction the spending or call for funds to be raised. The CEO/Chairman shouldn't be involved in the grass roots stuff, so until NC starts interfering with team selections, training, etc etc etc, then no problems with me. I think what is being intimated in the interview is a million miles away from Lowe's micro management, meddling and interfering in fottballing decisions. That Dutch/Poortvliet interview about Lowe interfering in all footballing matters just highlighted what many of us had known and were concerned about for ages. Hopefully NC won't replicate the failings of the busted flush that is Lowe.

I wonder if there is any way of opening up Block 3 and still keeping the netting and restriced area as Block 1 & 2, therefore still negating the need for a heavy steward and police presence between the Itchen North and the Away Section???

I wouldn't have a problem with a season of consolidation and bottoming out our recent decline. Upper mid table and a push next season would get the thumbs up from me.

It was indeed Faking It on Channel 4. The guy he mentored was a Chess Champion who didn't fool John Barnes, Dermot Gallagher and that woman from 5Live. Hopefully he can perform better turning some of our players in to the real deal!!!! Endemol are showing an equivalent version in Holland whereby they put a Dutch no hoper in charge of an English professional team to see if he can pull it off .........................................

I agree. Surely if we had asked for permission and they had rebuffed us, it would have been all over the press. Similarly, had they accepted our approach then I would have expected it to have been leaked somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if he was tentatively sounded out by one of the other consortiums (has Jackson got a batphone to Tisdale as well as Reid??). On these things when managers in situ are in play, it tends to come out whilst it's happening (for a variety of reasons e.g. bumping up compensation, bumping up wages, to court popularity etc etc etc). It could of course be totally kosher, it's just I don't buy it.

I would suggest that apart from one individual who is intent on getting a reaction, then the vast majority of other posters would be of the same opinion. In fact, elsewhere on the board I detect quite a mellow (even if we're all concerned at recent performances) response & attitude amongst posters. There's a world of difference between having and espousing a different opinion and constantly seeking to provoke a reaction. Shame, as a good board and some decent posters have been dragged down somewhat (myself included of course;)).

Well if they've already been sent off and have then returned ot the field, people tend to get slightly irksome;)