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If so, this sounds like a systematic failure of the police/intelligence services.

And herein lies the issue - extremists. I wonder when they came over?

Isn't the archbishop C of E?

I was being facetious, but considering how strongly you feel about the Pakistani Grooming Gangs you seemed to not give a shit about paedophiles in the Christian Church.

So did your Muslim friends said he was fully responsible for his death then? It may just be semantics.

😂 That's fine, you only care about non-homegrown paedophiles.

No, but you're putting yourself in that position and increasing your risk, that's all. You have to accept that if you say controversial things and are in the public eye then you are opening yourself up to nutters.

That's odd, because you don't seem particularly bothered about it here: https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/topic/61179-welby-and-christian-child-abuse/

Ask them to move police from football matches in the capital?

Absolutely, Charlie Kirk is the same - he put himself into that position. All it needs is one nutter.

Literally not suggesting anything, just asking why they were called "Pakistani" and not "Islamic". That's why I said it was a genuine question. I genuinely don't know the teachings of the Prophet, let alone how some people interpret them, but I guess that's the same with Catholicism as clearly there must be some fucking dodgy interpretations of the bible for them to have so many problems.

A bit like Charlie Kirk that example.

Why weren't they called Islamic rape gangs? Genuine question here.

Yeah, maybe they should have foresaw these murders taking place - twats. Perhaps they should postpone their rally though...

I also said that the Islam faith has more extremists than other religions. We'll agree to agree anyway. What I will say is that we will see an increase in extremist behaviour from all areas over the next few years, thanks to Israel, and the rise of the far right in many, many countries.

Well no, why would it be anything else? I am all about perspective and proportionality. What I'm not doing is criticising or being scared of all Muslims because of a very small percentage of nutters. The same as I'm not scared of all reform voters.

Exactly, you shouldn't conflate the two. Well said Norm, RIP bud.

But I've accepted that multiple times in my comments? I'm not sure what you're arguing here. That Islamic Extremists are more prevalent than others? Yes, we've all agreed with that. However, 25% aren't, and I think we're going to see a huge increase in that.

Because it gives perspective, that's the point. Islamophobia is not the fear of extremists, it's the fear of Muslims. We're all scared of extremists.

You literally said:

Well just let one in 4 other get away with it then, and end up with more Jo Cox situations?

The issue is we are talking about the following: - Number of Muslim's - Number of Muslim's following extremist teachings - Number of Muslim's carrying out attacks based on extremist teachings Each time that number gets significantly smaller, and puts people further away from islamophobia, and closer towards being scared of nutters, which I would say we all are. It's similar to people who support Netanyahu's abuse of the Gazan people because Hamas are (were) in charge.

What is that significant number, because I doubt it is a significant number? What percentage do you think are extremists Islamists in this country?

If in those riots last year someone managed to actually burn a hotel down, that would have killed more people than every Islamic attack in this country combined. It was purely by luck that we got away with that. Nobody is saying that Islamic Extremists are not a problem. That would be stupid. However, extremists in general are a problem, regardless of religion, political leanings etc.

It's because his wife's Muslim.