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Cameron and Osborne are lying toads? You voted for these toads a year ago. Another example of your stellar reasoning and judgement.

The echo is copying stories that appeared in the Turkish press yesterday, like Schitt. Schitt is just reading latest news and spinning those together with some reasonable probabilties we all know about.

Remains the only place in Europe Ive ever seen dirt roads in towns, wooden bridges, turf roofed houses, hand carts and barefooted kids begging in the street. Russia isnt Moscow.

Of course there are many intelligent people without academic qualifications. No-one said otherwise. That table simply shows a correlation between voting intention and age / academic success. I'm sure giving everyone an IQ test would produce a higher correlation but its not really practical is it? I would have thought you'd be intelligent enough to recognise that.

That'll be a thankless and joyless task. Really would be solely for the money.

A good point, one which to my knowledge hasn't come up here. I think relatively few people in Britain have ever bought into the post war ideal of a Europe so tightly intertwined that another war was impossible - generally we've always seen it as club with benefits. There are probably many reasons for that - an island mentality and no land borders; stronger ties with ex colonies because of shared language / media / history; being on the geographic periphery of Europe but also a sense of isolationism and pulling up the drawbridge. The main problem though is the EU project has tried to be both wide and deep in too short a period of time. A smaller group of culturally and economically similar countries might have been able to do it - but 28 countries from Finland to Croatia in full union in only 50 years?

Your point is valid as far as it goes - but it ignores the fact that more educated people of the same age group are more likely to vote remain. We discussed this same point and same table before Johnny. You remember deary. What grade was the CSE you got?

Don't mind that, as long as the fee is good. Pelle has been great for us but he's 31 next month and we've had the best out of him.

Is this your plan? To keep posting up myths in the hope one of them wont be debunked and someone might actually vote leave because of that? Tip. All it does is make the Brexit case seem even weaker and more random, ill informed. There are lots of positive things Brexit could have said and done but haven't. Why is that?

Because its a devious, terrible plot?

miserable

You still talking about football? That performance was enough. England havent been great but then none of the big countries have been. Hopefully they'll come alive in the group stages.

Wheres my vote for the Prime Minister? the Queen? House of Lords? Leader of the City Council? If you live in the Cotswolds you vote the PM in but not if you dont. Is that democratic? The EU organisation isnt perfect, but it is no more or less perfect than the British system.

and the WTO, NATO, Wold Bank, IMF, Commonwealth, Olympics, FIFA etc etc,

Couldnt we get one who isnt about to be eliminated?

All laws are made by MEPs and the Council of Ministers. The commissioners propose laws which then have to be approved by both the MEPs and the Council.

Which laws do they make?

They don't. Does that clarify things in any way?

Im prepared to hold a free pukka pie whilst grinning at the camera if it will help the club

And there was I thinking we were all just hot air listened to by nobody

He's had more clubs than a baby seal

Thats basically it imo. What swayed it for me is that the British government could bring non EU immigration down but choose not to - despite clamour from the electorate - because multinational businesses want free movement of staff and low margin employers want cheap labour. A shortfall in EU labour would simply result in more non EU immigration. Once you realise the numbers wouldn't change if we left then there becomes no reason to take the economic hit.

He's right though, you really don't. Until you learn to read research instead of Express reports of research you will continue to flounder and make a fool of yourself.

Very interesting quote, thanks. Obviously I knew about the widespread EU distortions in much of the press , but not the origins of it. I used to meet with Maria Damanaki, the former EU commissioner for fisheries, as she developed the CFP reforms. She had a total staff of 13 people. The UK Fisheries minister had a staff of hundreds. The idea that the EU is some huge bureaucracy is just a media construct for gullible people.