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Equally you cant keep having referenda. Something would need to change to get a different result.

Depends why the numbers are going up. About half the population increase is immigration but half is homegrown, mostly people living longer.

Politicians are always looking for 'trigger' words and phrases. 'Stay' would have been more positive than 'remain' imo.

Surely if there is no mandate for change you stay with the status quo?

Except in rugby.

We should have a thread sweepstake for closest guess. Im going 53% / 47% remain win.

Nothing wrong with blue nuns on the match threads.

Could be Jurgen Loew #WeSmeltOn

I must admit I was pretty surprised!

Southampton is Europhile. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3652901/Are-neighbours-Interactive-map-reveals-Eurosceptic-areas-Britain-ahead-EU-referendum.html

Can you really not distinguish between a special deal for Britain which isnt going to get renegotiated and reform of the whole EU by member countries?

He hasn't. In the event of Brexit Juncker has ruled out Britain coming back and asking for a better deal. That is utterly different from working to reform the EU from the inside.

Dude

its not. its dull

Not just me then. I switched from chrome to Firefox but only marginal improvement.

Juncker probably does want us to leave, he sees us an obstcle to federal Europe, but he's out of date. The mood across Europe has changed and it isnt going to happen.

He wont be given the option to change his mind, thats for sure.

Agree with that. Cameron has already said he will resign before the next election. If remain win he will get to stay on as PM a bit longer and have a hand in choosing his successor, if they lose he will gone the next day. Corbyn will go too before the next election - and like the Tories with Ruth Davidson, they have some good young MPs who could make the step up.

The low hanging ones? "Look he has brought forth the juniper berries" ....from the juniper bushes.

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Joshing aside there is a correlation between the referendum result and who will be PM. If Remain loses Cameron will have to resign and Boris's chances of getting the job will skyrocket - but Boris as leader will cost them the next election imo - hes peed off too many voters in this divisive campaign. If Remain win Boris is in deep do doo career wise imo.

Err not really. All the other touted candidates have dropped out and Pellegrini is such a red hot favourite at the bookies they've mostly stopped taking bets. Its the science of the bleedin obvious

No it works if the leaders of the winning party will end up as ministers. And guess what? They do! The fact that you are jibing at Miliband as the failed leader who couldnt get Labour elected contradicts your earlier point that people vote for the party not the leader. Which is it Johnny? you seem a little vague.

You voted for a party despite not wanting either Cameron for PM or Osborne for Chancellor? Wow even more bizarre than I'd given you credit for.

He's on a wind up - the clue is in the name. Personally I think its a poster from here on a jolly.