Matthew Le God

Yoshida is a central defender. Ramirez is (it seems but only from 3rd parties) a very good player and it isn't just defenders that defend, it is the entire team when you don't have the ball. Neither of us have seen either of them play, so lets not jump to conclusions quite yet. The defence wasn't that bad for large spells of all three games, remember two of them were against the two best English teams. We won't be up against many (if any) teams that will put our defence under as much of a test as Man Utd and Man City did. The Wigan result although disappointing didn't expose our defence that much really. Yes, there is room for improvement and Davis, Fonte and Fox are weakpoints, but you have used "at this level" based on close defeats against the two best sides.

I have no idea, I've never seen either of them in action. You seem to be jumping to the other extreme of what you think I said.

This is an internet forum, I have debates with people where both sides have differing opinions. You accused me of "pot, kettle" with this act of physical violence and people condoning it. I really don't understand the logic behind that. It is, but at least I can hold the moral high-ground in this particular debate as I'm not inciting or condoning violence against someone for merely celebrating an away team goal in a corporate area of a stadium.

You say that without seeing him play, nor knowing what bids for centre backs went in during the window. For all you know Hooiveld and Yoshida might work very well together, lets not right them off before we've seen a new partnership in action over a few games.

I'd like to hope that most people in a civilised society thought like me on this issue. We'd be in anarchy if people felt they were within their rights to go around punching people because it offended them that someone was celebrating an event to their expense. Just happens we have a lot of wanna be Judge Dredd's posting in this thread so far and I'm one of the few to point out to them how pathetic they are.

The herding cows and breaking in horses etc is to teach you the basics of the game. In the same way GTA has basic missions early on it is to get you ready for the big set piece missions later on. Plus, for most "cowboys" in real life herding cows and breaking in horses is exacting what they would have done for their entire time on the ranch! Red Dead Redemption is my favourite game of all time if you exclude Football Manager. The expansion for Red Dead, "Undead Nightmare" is also worth a go.

I wouldn't punch him, as it really isn't hard to not punch someone. I'd only punch someone in self defence or for that of someone that couldn't defend themselves. Someone celebrating a goal isn't a physical threat to anyone, so why meet that with violence? It is completely out of proportion to react in such a way for something so trivial.

Why are you overlooking the purchase of Clyne (who has been superb) and Yoshida a centre back you have never seen play?

I've never punched someone for celebrating a goal or condoned it. What are you accusing me of that is comparable?

Some Saints fans appear to think they are judge, jury and executioner!

Would you rather not be punched at all for something as trivial as celebrating 11 men kick a ball in a net? Yes he was stupid for celebrating, but that doesn't deserve physical violence.

And Yoshida could soon be replacing Fonte, so why not sign Ramirez and Yoshida?

Of all the things you could say this is the most irrelevant. A punch is still a punch. And you have the audacity to call me a "tit"! Pathetic.

I'm now intrigued to here an answer to this from all those in this thread that think it is ok to punch someone in the face for celebrating the opposition score in the corporate areas. Where do you draw the line (if you do at all)? What if the Man Utd fan was... - a woman - under 18 years old - with his/her children - in a wheelchair - frail and/or elderly - pregnant - disabled physically or mentally Do you have any boundaries you won't cross or is it an instant punch in the face for one and all?

What absolute nonsense. Are you aware how trivial the act of celebrating 11 men they "support" kicking a ball into a net is? You are comparing it to criminal damage of somone's property! Even with your example punching them in the face is still illegal.

You haven't even seen Gaston Ramirez or Maya Yoshida play for Saints yet and you start a thread like this...

I'm "in the minority" and being a "tool" for simply suggesting someone doesn't deserve to be punched in the face for cheering a goal of an away team in the corporate areas? What has happened here is no-one else has bothered to say what a bunch of idiots you all are to condone such behaviour. Hardly mature to go around punching people in the face merely for cheering a goal. It is a criminal offence to punch someone in the face and should be dealt with as such. Everyone that has stated they condone such behaviour in this thread really needs to take a long hard look at their moral compasses!

An "expected outcome", doesn't make it right though does it? Punched for celebrating a goal amongst rival fans! It is a criminal act yet a large number in this thread think it is fine.

I'm amazed so many of you condone violence for something which less face it is hardly serious. Yes, what he did was daft, but that doesn't mean he should be physically assaulted!

By using the phrase "great prospect", it is a reference to his age. So not such a silly statement.

Not whilst he is in hospital it isn't. Would you apply the same to Ward-Prowse? I wouldn't, so I wouldn't write off Shaw this season solely on age.

I thought they would do this... Jordan Sibley ‏@jordansibley Great to be hosting Utd in a league game at long last, St Mary's is a hive of activity already. Plan to unveil Ramirez pre-match #SaintsFC

Top tier was full, as was the front of the lower tier. It was only the back of the lower tier that had empty seats, looked worse when we scored with camera panning onto our fans and everyone rushed to the front leaving gaps behind. Journalists in build up to the game said 2,500 sold as of a couple of days beforehand. Did you see QPR at Man City yesterday? In the lower tier they were even confined to one block as they didn't get remotely near filling the allocation. I wonder what Flyer thinks of that...

Not true, we sold over 2,500 of the 2,800 allocation.

I think its safe to assume every Saints player would love to play against them and Chaplow is behind Lallana, Davis, Schneiderlin, Cork and Ward-Prowse in the pecking order for a central midfield role.