Matthew Le God

Between 2001 and 2008 Newcastle averaged circa 51k in a 52k stadium every year, selling out most games and were looking to extend it up to 60k. Give it time and they will return to maxing out their stadium.

It is when he constantly does it and I doubt he has the background to diagnose the condition being a hypochondriac himself!

Even if I were, why do you feel the need to constantly tell me? That is odd in itself.

hmm... I think most people if told that, would consider it at least a little insulting, wouldn't you?

I didn't say it did. However all I have done is present my side of a debate with why I think it to be the case and have tried to justify it with what I consider to be relevant evidence. Those on the other side have been just as obsessively posting counter argument and don't have the same petty insults used against them.

I'm sure a number of people will find that amusing coming from you! Pot, kettle, black... etc

I know you were, I was joking but also trying to make the point that I don't see why you have only apportioned the blame to one side of the argument and not the other. You make that sound like that is an insult, which is pathetic.

What in that post do you have an issue with then? Just because four or five people have been against me in this thread doesn't mean there aren't other that agree with me, they may just not be as bloody-minded/sad as me in a debate and not want to get involved. However, many of the accusations of the way I am persistent with making points can also be directed at those on the other side of the argument, such as yourselves.

Yes they have won more, but their last domestic win of note was 50 years ago so not really that relevant to the size of a club today. In those last 50 years it has seen Saints with higher league placings, better cup performance and better attendances. You say "less of the plastic support we have" but what is that meant to mean? As recently as the 1980's Wolves were averaging 4k for league games, does that not make current Wolves fans plastic?

Because they are surrounded by loads of competing clubs and need to test the water with a 36k stadium. It is also coming at quite an expense and don't have a backer as rich as the Liebherr estate. They also have no recent history of sustained 30k+ crowds like Saints do. The last time Wolves averaged 30k+ was 41 years ago the last time Saints did was a mere 6 years ago!

I didn't overlook the other eight clubs. See post #170 where I said... "Most are smaller clubs and have seen huge rises, those that haven't seen large rises are restricted by stadium capacity." If you want I'll go through them...(note he uses the phrase "comparable clubs") Norwich - 26,200 from 25,400 - probably capacity; Restricted by Carrow Road capacity and they are looking to expand. QPR - 15,700 from 16,600 - probably capacity; Not a similar size to Saints and have huge ticket prices in a dated stadium Swansea - 19,800 from 15,500 (+27.7%) Close to capacity and a smaller club than Saints Newcastle - 44,800 from 43,400 - not sure if this is capacity but thought Newcastle had 50k + capacity so therefore a very big club that has shown no real increase; A larger club than Saints and so not comparable. West Brom - 24,200 from 22,200 (+9%); Restricted by the Hawthorns capacity and smaller club than Saints. Blackpool - 15,800 from 8,600 (+83.7%); A huge increase of 83.7% actually goes against his argument and in any case they are much smaller than Saints. Wolves - 24,000 from 24,200 - virtually same; As we have been through, restricted by capacity and they are currently rebuilding upto 36k and possibly 38k - 50k. Brum - 25,461 from 19,000 (+34%); Smaller fanbase than Saints so not comparable. Burnley - 20,653 from 13,100 (+57.6%). Like with Blackpool a much smaller team than Saints thus not comparable as he states and in any case a 57.6% increase goes against his own argument. Anyone that thinks that is a list of "comparable clubs" to Saints is insane! Egg you have already made it clear that you do.

You drew comparisons with Wolves because you referred me to Poking Fun's post, where he said Saints were comparable to Wolves. Can you not see how you are contradicting yourself?

Bloody hell this is difficult. Wolves went from 24k in the Championship to 28k in the Premier League. They couldn't get any higher than 28k, because Molineux wasn't any bigger than than. In the summer the capacity was reduced to 24k when they knocked down the Stan Cullis Stand to rebuild it. It is now partially complete and have started using parts of it.

Yep, Egg is making himself look foolish by contradicting himself.

Make up your mind! Earlier today you said this... Which suggests you do think Wolves are relevant. And you call me simple! Try not to contradict yourself too much!

Wolves announced this whilst they were in the relegation zone and said it would go ahead regardless of relegation to the Championship. They were hardly "established in the Premier League" at the time. If you call for Saints to "have evidence", what evidence do you think the professionals in charge at Wolves used? It is not me being "simple".

You make this too easy! The capacity of Molineux during early stage of construction of the Stan Cullis Stand was circa 24k as they had to knock it down. Poking Fun's post was ill-informed (as are you) and it certainly isn't talking "overwhelming sense" as you describe. Poking Fun even describes Wolves as comparable to Saints. So why don't you want to compare them if you think he speaks with such "overwhelming sense"?

So because Wolves aren't Saints, they don't need the same levels of evidence in order to expand their stadium?

Why isn't the Wolves redevelopment relevant? Why do you complain about me "going on" when I raise a question you can't (or don't want to answer)?

80 points has been the level of 3rd place in recent history... 2010/11 3rd place 80 points 2009/10 3rd place 79 points 2008/09 3rd place 80 points 2007/08 3rd place 75 points

So what evidence do you think Wolves used to increase to 36k (and have future plans for 50k)?

No, this is what Jez Moxy said in the press conference to unveil the plans for Molineux. There were going ahead with them regardless of relegation or not and have nearly finished one stand already and are using bits of it on matchdays at the moment.

Lots of improvements to the match viewer this year, plus footage of Saints in FM12...

You've lost me as to how those teams are comparable or the stats are relevant. Most are smaller clubs and have seen huge rises, those that haven't seen large rises are restricted by stadium capacity. I wonder what evidence Wolves based their decision to increase capacity to 36k, and have future plans for 38k and then 50k.... They were going ahead with this regardless of relegation last season.

It answers all of your points, and you haven't tried to make a rebuttal of any of them. Plus, how can you have evidence of more than 32k averages in a 32k stadium?