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http://zonein.tv/7351745 Live Eurosport coverage here for anybody office-bound (or just listen to the chat TMS stylee).

Don't think Evans has the team to win it (though the lads done good for him yesterday) and he's probably too defensive as well. Contador probably carrying a bit of a hangover (no pun intended) from the Giro, it's a massive feat to win both in the same year but I certainly wouldn't write him off yet; he has the ability to take minutes from his rivals in the big mountains. If Contador hits his straps there's only really Schleck that can stay with him on a consistent basis. Agree, Cav has got it all to do from where he is but that can change quickly under the new format, if he were to win both today he would be right back in it.

Great start, so many in the mix this year and Contador losing time in the first couple of days has really opened it up. Can't wait to get out there for the last week!

Sajs's last minute screamer away at Watford, not sure if it counts tho cos he was half decent? Looking at the thread title I'm pretty sure Niemi and Beattie don't belong in here! Didn't Lloyd James score a 25-yarder away at Brentford a couple of years ago or am I dreaming that one?

Another tale of woe: I haven't received any reminder or notification that my sub was about to expire. On Tue evening this week (21st) I went to post and received the message 'you are not a member, you have exceeded your 3 posts a day etc'. I then went and paid my outstanding sub on paypal on Thu 23rd ... I looked at my online banking today to see that I had also paid Saints Web a fiver on the 14th June. How queer! Why if I had automatically renewed on the 14th was I barred from posting on the 21st? Please can you forward my second fiver to the Marcus Flag thing, thanks.

My nipper has just finished his 2nd year at L'boro and one of his housemates has landed the all-time Saints-Web fantasy-gap-year-job. I kid you not - he is going to Germany for a year to 'research and design football kits' for Adidas. This ultimate non-job involves measuring, testing and researching new and match-worn kit 'up to and including Bundesliga level'. He will also be playing around on the football version of MS Paint designing new colour schemes and combos. And, horror of horrors, some hands on research actually kicking a football about while wearing said designs; all in the name of testing for feel and cut and wearability. Gecko and The 9, eat your hearts out! My nipper’s reward for two really good years in civil engineering is a twelve month placement at one of Europe’s largest waste water treatment plants, or as you and I might know it, Beckton sewage works….. no sour grapes there then.

Extra zero in there ... Season Tickets £550 - £800 (tho there appear to some on here that would pay 5k for a ST or to see Saints in a bigger ground or in the CL).

Avg gate = 32k Prices = Season ticket £5050 - £800, Matchday £35 -£50 Prediction - Saints will get to the CL (scoff), before they get a new or bigger ground.

Any one think we should spand the farm on Ben Watson? Very tidy player - he could be our Matty Holland for years to come.

Remember we had a bit of a thread on this last year. I'm going to the Alps for a week with eldest and we are cycling 5 big days and seeing 3 stages. Monday, Col d'Isoard Tuesday, Col d'Agnelo (France to Italy) Europe's third highest road pass Wednesday, tour viewing on Col D'Montgenevre and Col de Sestriere Thursday, tour viewing on Galibier Friday, tour viewing on Alpe d'Huez Hoping for a much better showing from Wiggins this year -he certainly seemed to be back to where he should be on the Dauphine. Anybody on here going out to any of the TDF?

Peter Rodrigues played in the 1969 cup final: Leicester 0-1 Man City (Neil Young), but that's not 10 years before....?

Interests outside Saints? Surely not? Hockey: currently umpiring at a pretty mediocre level, formerly played at a reasonable level, and have coached at a very good level. Cricket: played at village level for a number of years, then self and Mrs Sandwich built a colts section from scratch to a club with 10 junior teams over a number of years; now enjoying watching the first team cricket where a side with seven of 'our' former colts have gone through 5 promotions in 7 seasons and have gone from nowhere to County league. Golf: I'd like to play more but time and opportunity are limited. Play a few rounds and I get to a competent standard then I don't play for the next 6 months (last time I played was in Newquay on cricket tour in August 2010); coincidently I'm playing at Prince's next week, whic will be all tricked up ready for Open qualifying .. better take an abacus and a bag of spare balls for that one. Skiing: skied a couple of times as a nipper then nothing for 20 plus years: got back into it via my own kids and have been once or twice a year for the past 5-6 years, this was the first year I hadn't been for a number of years. Not very good (not fit enough!) but I do enjoy it at my own level (brillant on blue, competent on red, hanging in thereack, off piste? Don't even go there). My first love (after Mrs S of course) would have to be biking which I've really grown into over the last 10-15 years. I have a half decent MTB and a perfectly decent road bike. Try and ride between 100-200km a week and have started doing a week at the TDF for the last three years. Awesome! Going to the Alps this year and we are aiming for 5 big days on the bike including three days watching mountain stages. Meanwhile back in the real world, family. missus and two lads 23 and 21: lots of work, lots of wine; hate housework and all things DIY.

A favourites X1: ............................ Eric Martin ........................ Telfer ....... Richards .......... Watson .........Bridge Walcott ....... Williams ...... Oakley ............ CMFG ................ Pahars ......... Channon ................. On the bench: Shilts! Golac Killer Ball MLT Worthington Davies R Manager L McMenemy Not the 'best' X1, just a bunch of players I've enjoyed watching over the years, but still a side good enough to hold its own in the top half of the Prem I would suggest?

This is pretty much the impression I've had since day one; let's hope he listens to his mum more than his dad!

Have you tried petecohentv.com ? He's a lifestyle coach / guru type thing and as such is one million percent off limits to me! I entered his programme in January (when else?) with an 'open mind'; after drifting from a very fit manual worker/sports player in my teens and twenties to an overweight 'dad' in my forties. In that 20 year time frame my weight rose from 11-08 to nearly 16-00 and my 'fitness' went out the window. Since January I've lost over 3 stones and feel really good. Secrets? Not rocket science: drink two litres of water a day, eat less! eat slowly! avoid sugars and artificials. Exercise every day (allowing a rest day here and there). Almost any exercise is beneficial, you don't need to get a gym nutter's programme (I certainly didn't). I lost 3 stone by dieting (eating less and eating sensibly) / spinning / laying off the booze (and cheese) / and following basic floor-and-core work. It is achievable but you have to be single-minded - set yourself daily exercise targets, keep an eye on your goals, don't beat yourself up when you (inevitably) miss a session (just do more next time!). Treats have to be treats, once a week, NOT once a day! Stay with it, it is immensely worthwhile and is achievable!

Really? Reason? Have you just written this for effect, or do you have actually think he is 'a four letter word' who you 'hate with a passion'? It's lovely out today, perhaps you could go for a walk this evening, it might clear your head a bit.

Think mine have all been done: Bilbao, Rangers, Newcastle in the Texaco? Cup, Channon testimonial. Also saw Sunderland play at the Dell midweek in a sky blue kit early 70's and remember Jim Montgomery being outstanding in goal for them, haven't got a clue of the score!

Me too, 'Dean-O, Dean-O, Dean-O' stand to be corrected but was that not his debut for Saints? And at the end (of the first game of the season) - 'Going down, Going down, Going down' and their mong fans all going nuts! Happy days, can't see that sort of atmosphere at the Ricoh this season.

Is there a telly game on the Friday evening? Saints v West Ham on the Friday evening, big Sam debut, Saints newly promoted etc. 0-0 booooo.

Is MLG Jordan Sibley? I think we should be told.

What's the story with the 'free' electricity panels I'm regularly being offered? Have to say I'm quite tempted from the 'never look a gift horse in the mouth' perspective, though I'm also hearing warning bells of the 'if something seems too good to be true then it probably is' variety. What's the deal with the 25 year tie-ins? Is my roof strong enough? (It is quite a good size and it is south facing). Will these panels really: save me money, make my house warmer, improve my love life? Anybody been down this route or know anybody that has?

Presumably these odds (all odds) are as much a reflection of the money coming in than any 'objective' view of the outcome? Saints (and West Ham) will be short money all the time people are betting on them. Look at the price for England to win the World Cup (any World Cup!), I don't know exactly what it was but it was prob something like 10-1 or 12-1 during qualifying and something like 5-1, 6-1, 7-1 when the tournament started; 'realistically' it was probably somewhere north of 25-1 but no bookie could afford to offer those odds. Don't expect to see Saints at a more realistic 10-1, 12-1, 16-1 to win the Championship any time soon. PS Haven't opened the link so ignore me if I'm talking rubbish!

Fair comment tho I think you can read the original both ways - your way is certainly a possible interpretation - I was thinking more of the 'let's sign some Prem Lge has-beens and reserves' - I hope we don't go down that road but I wouldn't say no to somebody like Bowyer (tho you have to balance that off with the fact if you pay one player a premium wage then, quite reasonably, half a dozen of our top boys will all then want to be on the same sort of whack). Back to yours, genuine question, do you think there will be 'plenty' of options to buy Premier Lge standard players (players that have either already played in the PL or players with the potential to move up and be successful) and that we can sign these fairly scarce players for very much less than a PL wage? As I say, genuine question. What is the gap in wages between the best 5% of players in the Championship and the bottom, say quarter, of players in the PL? I think that if we continue our policy of buying players from the league above and buying the 'best' pound-for-pound players from our rivals, especially in a scenario where we are either backed by the 'Liebherr millions' or we are sitting on 10m from the sale of AOC we will surely have to pay near-to Prem wages for the privilige? Tell me I'm wrong, perhaps we can pick up 4 or 5 'Prem standard' players for championship wages?

No! There is a world of difference between funding L2 players on L1 wages (RL? AL? JF? KD?) and funding Prem wages on a Championship income stream.... I see nothing to suggest we can afford 4/5/6 players on 'Prem' wages next year (could be wrong tho!)

Surely it's down to a bit of both? To 'compete' in the Prem (ie to have 'any' chance of survival) QPR probably need a minimum of 6-8 new players, perhaps up to a dozen new players. All these new players will come with very high add-ons in terms of signing on fees, agents cut, bonuses etc. before you add in any transfer fee. It probably costs somewhere between 1m-3m to get a bog-standard premier lge journeyman through the front door, before you look at paying 'premier league' wages and before you push the boat out on one or two 'name' signings. Factor in the rise in wages for the existing payers and their promotion bonuses and it's obvious QPRs costs have just gone through the roof. Obviously a lot of this is negated by the big Sky money available, but it still makes sense from the club's POV to absolutely max their income (or as you or I would say to completely shaft their loyal supporters!) On the other side they are clearly charging what they think the market will bear. They are offering top-line football (at least they will be from half a dozen of the visiting sides) right in West London and they have a very limited capacity- clearly they've done their hmwk and think they will sell out, or nearly sell out at these prices. The people to feel sorry for are their regular core supporters who've stuck by them home and away through some pretty lean times and are now being screwed sideways if they want to watch them in the Prem league. Realistically is there any alternative? They could freeze their prices, play this year's team, take the Sky money, and go straight back down; would 'fans' really want that? QPR have private backers and Sky money, surely they could make a go of it without fleecing their own and everybody else's fans too? Or perhaps there is a middle way - is it that the cost of employing Premier League footballers dictates that clubs need £40/seat per game just to stand still? I really do fear for my Saints supporting future when we get back in the Prem, on today's prices I don't think I would pay more than £30 for a standard game and maybe £35 for a premium game, equally the same prices would apply for me away from home: I just could not envisage spending £40 to watch Saints play in a bog-standard, mid-table Prem Lge game. Other than that it would be the cups for me home and away, and the odd Birthday/Boxing Day game.