revolution saint

I can only judge you by what you post but no, I don't think you're that thick. However once you say it's healthcare rather than terminal and life threatening then it becomes a question of interpretation.

I'd agree with you there - the treatment you get should not be determined by where you live. This was driven by a need for the patient (or shall we call them customer) being given the choice of where to be treated. It's wrong and unworkable - ironically though it was supposed to make the NHS act more like a business rather than a not for profit health care organisation.

Oh come on, you say there's inefficiency in the NHS and then expect to treat absolutely everything? Of course money will come into the equation but the difference is it's hopefully based on the individual, the illness and the treatment available. It's not arbitrary which was the point.

I thought it was set up to provide health care? Where did Nye Bevin state "We now have a health care service for all, well i say all but I really mean the terminal and life threatening things - the rest of you with minor ailments can **** off". I've had ingrowing toenails, tonsils, adenoids and a hernia treated. None of them life threatening though.

Of course it does and in some cases it's wrong and in others (hopefully the majority) it's based on clinical reasons rather than financial ones. However that wasn't the point of the original post. You were arguing against sex change operations earlier weren't you? If one was refused are you now saying that would be wrong?

So despite everything that's still No, the NHS don't descriminate on age and no they don't place an arbitrary price on six months of life at $20,000. Took a while but we got there in the end!

Rasiak is a loss but if he doesn't want to be here then I don't want him either. The same goes for Saga but we'll need another striker as it's asking a lot to expect Lambert and patterson to play every game, remain injury free and maintain form.

As far as I can see you're the only person getting your knickers in a twist protesting something that no one here has claimed. Back to the original claim (and point of the thread): Does the NHS refuse heart bypass operations for people over 59? Does the NHS value 6 months of life at $22,750?

free at the point of use is different to free. No one said it wasn't.

Apparently Matt Holland is really annoyed. He met up with Pards expecting a contract offer and all he wanted was Holland to go up to Shelvey and Racon and say, "my mate really likes you".

Does the NHS refuse heart bypass operations for people over 59? Does the NHS value 6 months of life at $22,750? Wasn't that the original point? Clearly you want to be angry at the NHS and that's fine but it wasn't really the point of the post in the first place. Try counting to ten or something.

Everyone's probably seen it before but it made me laugh:

Well we could all go on a rant about whether the NHS is good/bad and expensive/free but isn't the original post about treatment being based not on need but on cost effectiveness and the relative merit of treating the patient in question? Isn't it about whether it's true or not that the NHS would refuse certain treatment for elderly patients?

This is what happens when you take on the health care companies in the US. It's sad.

It's too early to tell. Pardew likes good football, played on the ground etc etc but he'll also know what it takes to get out of this division. That will be his priority. When it comes to getting a CB I doubt we'll be going for the ball playing type who will bring it out of defence - we'll have a tough fella who'll lump it away from danger. I would say the style of football will be "effective" and that means winning games or avoiding defeat. How that happens will be determined by who is available and who we're playing. For example if we get a pacy striker then we can expect a more route one style with Lambert getting the flick ons. If we've got Rasiak and Lambert up front then expect a more patient build up with the midfield expected to push on and provide a runner or two.

It looks like "Total football" to me.....

Oi, shut it. Your job is to provide rumours about new players - you haven't done that in the last post. You disgust me.

I want new owners with even more money. 2.7 Billion isn't really enough for me now and I feel we've sold the club to the first billionaire who fluttered his eyelashes at us. We should be playing the long game like Charlton and Pompey, those are the clubs with real ambition. Just one big signing this week smacks of apathy.

Pay to make a prediction? I think it's free even if you live up north....

Racon was an unused sub last night so while he didn't play he was still available for them. Does this mean he's now cup tied? Not that we've signed him or anything but it seems as if he'd cost a hell of a lot for a div 3 player and there'd be competition from CCC clubs as well.

Forget the spine....Alex Ferguson has said that the basis of a good team is a good big toe and that's the right back position - we're sorted there.

For you posh Dibden Purlieu types the match will be whenever you can make it.

Get in! Scottish Midgets Rule!

That's the other thing....why do we need just the one manager? I love new manager threads as well and to be fair we've never had enough managers for my liking. We need at least one per player or we'll be relegated. When that happens i want more than one chairman to blame as well.

Just what does this say about our owners? A total lack of ambition. I've specifically taken this week off because i was promised signings and so far....we've had one. That's not good enough. Not even any good rumours either just people saying who they think would be good. I'm prepared to rave about players I've never seen as long as we've bought them (and hopefully trebled their wages) but so far since way back yesterday there's not been a sniff of a signing. SKY Sports has just reported that there's less than 22 days till the end of the transfer window - that's not enough time to get the 300 players I feel we need to really make an impression in this league.