revolution saint

It happened to us a while back when Mark Hughes smacked a shot so hard into the net it hit the hoardings behind and flew out. We didn't complain that much at the time. Colin is being a bit disrespectful to Gary Johnson who actually once got his Yeovil side to score an own goal because they'd scored by mistake when they were trying to give the ball back to the opposition. Colin meanwhile moans and groans about everything with no sense of perspective. I once remember an incident where the ref actually changed his mind about a decision during a game (to the correct decision) but to the detriment of Colin's team. Colin then spent the post match interview moaning that though the correct decision in the end was made, the ref should have stuck to his original decision. I can't remember Warnock ever being anything but partisan in support of his team. Gary Johnson on the other hand comes across as a fairly decent bloke. That said it was a goal.

That he would be key for them, star player and terrace favourite.

I always buy the season preview 442, it's normally fairly good although I hardly ever agree with their predictions about Saints. This one is particularly bad but that's mainly due to the fact it was written just after the takeover had occured and Wotte had been sacked. Pardew hadn't been appointed and obviously we hadn't signed anyone although we had sold a fair number. I guess at around that time things didn't look quite so good as they do now.

When I worked for the NHS I couldn't access this site. I have to admit I didn't realise that people were employed as exporters of nets though - that must be a niche market or do you cast it far and wide?

It's OK for you lot but I called my newborn son Tac-Tics. How embarassing is that? I'm going to smash his head against a wall and forget all about this whole sorry mess.

It was a joke - I'm not that into eugenics.

Johnny, just what is it you're driving at? Do you want me or anyone else to say that the NHS is funded by the taxpayer. OK well it is (or probably the majority of funds raised are). Most people already know that, it's not an earth shattering revelation but if it will make you happy then there it is.

Yes, weird isn't it? You'd have thought they'd put something up. It's got to be another signing today!

I'm not sure it's a question of whether Gillett is better than Wotton but whether Gillett is actually that good. I don't think he is but that's opinions for you. I certainly can't see Gillett as a holding midfielder as some suggest though - he buzzes around a lot and would to my mind be more of a box to box type. Unfortunately I'm just not sure he's that great at it.

Night Johnny. I'm sorry to have shattered a few illusions - there's just one more. Father Christmas isn't real but on the plus side neither are the monsters under the bed.

Oh FFS you even quote a link that says free at the point of need!

Ha ha, you must be on a wind up! Surely no one is that stupid! Did you really think free at the point of use was free? You did, didn't you? I bet you get all excited about winning the reader's digest lucky prize as well.....

I'm sorry but I'm going to keep doing this - where has any politician ever stated the NHS was free? Just give me one quote. I'm glad you agree with the OP though. The rest of your posts are decent - start a thread on them as a general NHS one is just too.....well general....to reach any sort of consensus. The idea that what should and shouldn't be paid for though has actually been set up (to a degree) with NICE. They recommend the drugs which should be used and they have difficult decisions to make - any body that makes them would. You were arguing against them earlier though weren't you? You can't have it both ways - either you want a body that will decide what is and what isn't cost effective or you don't.

True. It's when they breed that annoys me but that's a different debate.....

OK, leaving aside morons no one thinks it's free.

1. Apart from you no one thought it was free. Did that come as a shock when you first realised? 2. It's fine that you want to emulate the French system, that's debate. It wasn't what the thread was about though. However I'm not sure many people would be happy to pay more in taxation and then pay 30% of treatment costs to fund a french style system - you're already moaning about our cheaper version! 3. You were the one who brought up socialism. No one else is interested. Socialism in this country is dead and died years ago. I'd love to debate with you it's various merits but it isn't really relevant. What we have now are two major parties and the only real difference between them is presentation.

Oh right you seriously think there are people wandering around who actually think the NHS is free? Again no one does. No one is that stupid to even try to pretend it's free. Of course we pay for it, of course it's funded by taxation - that's the whole bleeding point!

Jesus Christ are you deliberately dense? No one, that's not one single person, ever, in the history of the world, on this planet, on this thread has ever suggested the NHS is free. No one. I really don't know how to make that any clearer.

if Wotton landed on the moon I'd be sick as a parrot.

oxymoron surely?

Yep, I'd agree with this. Seems to have a fanbase similar to Prutton - he runs around a bit, doesn't do an awful lot but at least he tries eh?

So to sum up, the claims made about the NHS by the American far right are wrong. Sex changes on the NHS shouldn't be allowed although Kadeem is grateful that they are. The people who argue against the NHS quite like the French system where tax is higher and you pay 30% of the cost as well. The NHS is outdated and socialist (although there's no evidence to back this up and Churchill thought of it first apparently). St. George predictably likes the US system and everyone is happy he does because they don't want him back. Did that cover it all?

I never said it should be catered for - I was responding to the accusation that the NHS is just for terminal and life threatening illness. After that it's a grey area. Incidentally a PCT was recently defeated in court because it didn't believe it should fund sex change operations.

I haven't commented on the French system, I'm not sure why you quoted me on that. You neatly sidestepped the question of why you feel the NHS problems are because they are too socialist though. You're right about Churchill though - he did propose the NHS but only because of the Beveridge report (Beveridge was actually a liberal though) and labour proposals. In any case it doesn't matter because it was the Atlee government that did implement the NHS - there's no way of knowing whether Churchill would or wouldn't though and it doesn't really matter does it? I'll think you'll find that Attlee and particularly Bevin were far more enthusaistic than Churchill though which resulted in a landslide victory for Labour despite Churchill having just emerged victorious from the 2nd world war. As I say, it's irrelevant but worth pointing out.

It's not socialism....how is incentivising people to do their job socialist? I thought it was about distribution of wealth? It sounds to me as if you'd rather return to the roots of the NHS as it was when it first started (ironically by a socialist labour party).