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Max Clifford will know who he was :mad:

KK is usually successful with plenty of money, still takes a lot of skill, but he has never proved that he can operate succesfully with limited funds. He also clearly has a personailty trait that means he finds it difficult to cope when things get a little bit tough. Not knocking him, but he is not really the answer (and anyway would not be interested).

Strachan was a top player that became a top manager, your argument is rather defeated by this example. In many of the cases where a player does step up, it is the quality of his back-up team that is critical. Hence Shearer has Dowie as support. Hoddle needed Gorman. Although I don't think Le Tiss is the answer, he might work if he had back up of someone like Glyn Snodin. I think Shearer will become a good manager, but given that his stint at Newcastle is likely by his own admission to be short, he will always be looking to go back there when he has a modicum of success, and on that basis I would prefer not to have Shearer as manager.

You even forgot Dave Peach, who was as good at pens as either of the above...

This is exactly why the FL (and FA) rules on clubs going into Administrtaion must be changed. I accept the points penalty, but at the moment there is no sanction against those who actually aused the problem, Lowe, Wilde and in some people's views at least Crouch and others. The FL must ban these people from having anything further to do with football ownership (I would go as far as to say anything to do with football full stop). It is not right that the perpetrators get away with nothing other than a hole in their pocket. If Mawhinney is to have any respect then this must be part of the rules.

There were plenty of others on here who also thought it was a good idea, seem to have gone rather quiet lately though. What a complete and utter waste of a season, all brought about by Wilde and Lowe, and their complete lack of understanding of football. Thank God they are gone, lets just hope that it stays that way and they never darken our doors again. Sad thing is that despite the FL punishment, Wilde and Lowe get away with nothing other than a hole in their pocket, while true supporters have to put up with the results.

Means nothing of the sort, just means we have to beat Forest and hope Norwich don't get 4 points from last 2 games

Blaming other clubs seems rather childish and frankly quite wrong. The time for blame is past, but if you must blame someone the blame sits fairly and squarely with Messers Lowe and Wilde.

This is the way i see it as well. There is a huge risk in appealing that the punishment will be increased, as CB Fry says, there is nothing to stop the FL expelling us from their organization. We do not have a leg to stand on. We have been shafted by not going into Administration before the deadline. Lowe's arrogance has caused this, believing he was not only right but that he knew better than the FL what would happen. Forget it, accept what has happened and move on.

Which is I believe Mark Fry's argument. We also have catering events that generate revenue that is not from football (the james Bond preniere etc), and in the past the plc had other evenue streams such as the radio Station and the Insurance company. Just because these have since been sold off, to keep the plc liquid does not mean they should not be taken into account. SLH clearly does have and has had in the past revenue streams other than football itself. Sadly the suits at the League and the so-called forensic accountants failed to see this and so have made the incorrect decision they have made. They will end up with egg on their face, and hopefully Mawhinney will have to eat some humble pie (smug bastartd), but I still expect in the end we will be punished, if only for making the League look like mugs (bringing the game into disrepute). You can have all the legal arguments in the world, but the bottom line is that the FL is a members organisatioin and can in effect do whatever the hell they like with the support of a majority of their members.

The Mayflower ?

If you are arrogant and believe that you can do no wrong then you don't even consider it chancy. Lowe=arrogant, no concept of him being wrong, so didn't think he needed to worry about it. If Lowe thought his case was cast iron as you suggest, then it would have made no difference, in his mind he could have put SLH into administration knowing (in his mind) that he had a cast iron case and that we would not be deducted points. However you dress it up, it seems clear to most that Lowe and Wilde have been negligent in the extreme. What really gets my back up in all of this is that we the supporters suffer, while Lowe and Wilde go about their merry lives with no sanctions whatsoever. The FA/FL should at least have the decency to ban them from all football related activity for life, assuming that hanging, drawing and quartering is no longer an option.

You have heard of the credit crunch haven't you? Caused because no-one wants to loan anyone any money, especially if the loanee is slightly dodgy. Borrowing money by a plc in admin, or recently in admin does not suggest a good credit rating. But the bottom line is, our debt is not the £27 or £30m that has been bandied around. Indeed our outstanding mortgage debt was being paid off more quickly than was needed, which was a good thing (for us). Aviva would be crazy to suggest repossession, they will make far more money if we continue to pay them back as per our agreement, especially as the interest rate is far above the current base rate. Our debt is the £4+ million from the overdraft (that caused the issue initially) plus any other debts (I understood that we had paid Notts Co and Bournemouth bu the FL had withheld the payments). That is what an investor is looking at as minimum to buy the Club, but of course they also need money to continue to operate, especially through the summer when we have no income.

That's hilarious, sunny and warm in Portsmouth LOL:smt044 Oh, I see that wasn't the joke

He used to live in Binstead on the Isle of Wight when he was in The Saint.

Ji'll fix it !!

Perhaps the so-called fan should get Max Clifford on his case and be interviewed in a pretty dress after his makeover to make him look innocent. ****es me off when gobby "fans" have a go at the OB when they were clearly asking for it. Too many people around these days who think they can make a buck out of finishing off someone elses career just because they themselves have no respect for others trying to do their job.

Someone needs to tell Mr Scheckter that those are pigs, not water buffalo. BTW its Jody, not Jodie. If we want him to buy our club (sorry plc) then I think we should learn to spell his name correctly. Jody Scheckter became infamous for causing one of the biggest accidents in Formula One history, after which there were demands that he should be banned from the sport. Sounds like the perfect successor for Rupert Lowe, one disaster followed by another.

With so much broken toot, the Megastore should do well this weekend with all you clumsy lot replacing the little gems

Rupert Lowe I5 SpeciaL :vom:

Bad call, they probably should do just the opposite. Alpine especially has been proved right time and time again. Its just that you don't like the way he says it. I have disagreed with Alpine many times but he usually hasn't been far wide of the mark in the final analysis.

Oh yeah, Tisdale leaves Exeter after yet another promotion and moves to Saints in the same division on a downward spiral. Tis may be ex-Saints but he isn't stupid. Would be good for us, but it ain't gonna happen while Exeter are doing well.

1979-80 Graham was a regular in Saints' midfield, and in the 80-81 season he was a virtual ever-present making 39 appearances. 173 appearances, 33 goals in 2 spells, one of our most influential midfielders (and that is saying something). Should have achieved more but injuries blighted his career.

Perhaps they all asked for no publicity

Jammy dodger would do for me