so22saint

we were all 12 once

indeed it is. most of our money comes from trading as a part of the single market. in fact a very large % comes from London financial services. if we lose access to that market, and in particular access to passporting for clearing houses then we won't have the money to share out for the farmers, nhs etc... as per my previous post, this needs to be well negotiated. as somebody who has built a number of multi-million £ businesses from scratch one of my frustrations with people is assuming "they" can fix it and "we" can spend that money, not understanding the personal effort and numerous small things that are important to success. ironically I'm now saying that "they" can negotiate it. i'd offer my services but I'm too busy getting fat and playing golf. cockend

Have you worked in Italy and France? I have - this is a classic fallacy of the small minded "we're better than everybody else" little Englander. The French work a very different shift from the UK - get in late, have a long lunch, but where I worked the working day didn't really finish until 8pm. Italy (Milan - Gucci) was also a place where everybody worked very very hard, and their industrial output is testament to that (reason they have the biggest shipyards in Europe perchance). Both economies have structural problems - France in particular has terrible labour laws that as a business owner made it very difficult to hire and fire, and also is very protectionist (so ironically we will become more like them). As productivity is a measure based on currency and hours worked, the tanking of the £ means our productivity will go down I'd suggest. I'm finding this thread very very amusing and tragic to be honest. The hard leavers desperation to say that everything will be fine, when even the leave camp during the referendum said there would be an economic shock is amusing. Face it, there are a few years of hardship for the poor on the horizon, especially if we leave the single market, as world markets assume open trade to be a good thing. Ditto, the hard remainers desperation to see the UK fail is pretty sad. I was a remainer and my big worry was for the kids future in a closed off, increasingly illiberal UK (well England & Wales as I suspect the Scots are off) - but surely we all want to live in a successful economy? Best thing for us now is to remove anybody making emotional bull**** arguments (Davis, Fox, Tusk, Hollande) from the negotiations, bung it to the boring people, and let them thrash out the compromise. Saddest thing overall is the failure of the political class in all of this, but then what do they ever bring to a country. They are all a bunch of jumped up student debating society, local council, never had a job arseholes who don't understand what it takes to add value (jobs, money, taxes) to a country other than from reading it in books. ******s

Most shots by ANY team this season in the EPL. Great 2nd half. Redmond had a great gane as did McQueen for his PL debut. Felt for J-Rod with that chance at the end. COYR

Hamstring. That'll be 6 weeks of Matty Target then

good, we need to get on with doing just that to have some certainty

Not to have a go at JWP but I couldn't help thinking his chance near the end was almost exactly the same as Hesketh's chance he took against Palace. Still would have taken a point at 2.15 and 6 clean sheets is brilliant, keep that up and we'll be in Europe again

Never go for a drink with Craig David on a Tuesday unless you have a free calendar and an open mind. (He did distance himself a bit from us when we dropped into League One, saying he also supported Arsenal or something like that - like about 40 other people I know to be fair)

No joke Dalek, this team reminds me of how Hoddle's Saints played football - tight at the back and go for a 1-0. Maybe we have the French Hoddle, both played at Monaco as well.

I know exactly why they voted leave - I'm from Totton originally and remember how the value system in areas like Totton places more kudos on being "cool" than "intelligent", is belligerent and quick to fight, and is also ultimately easy to manipulate with bad facts and scary headlines. I'm also aware that globalisation benefits the world by dragging the global underclass out of poverty and into the working class (which ultimately gets them paying taxes to maintain the culture, and to become consumers for the ruling manufacturing class) but it screws over the working class of countries like the UK by dragging those guys closer to the global underclass as they get dragged toward Western standards of living. So things feel worse for those people, and they vote against it. IMHO... As a remainer however, I have to say I thought Liam Fox's speech yesterday about being a standard bearer for global free trade was the first decent optimist thing I'd heard from what was a fairly nasty side of the campaign. and we are leaving, so lets get on with it.

Damn right, and when we repeal all the human rights legislation I'm going to exploit the plebs to **** in my sweatshop. Bring it on

Carlton Pogba - love it

It was until we said we're leaving anyway - we are a godsend to the Federalist nutters

Exactly, my grandad fought in the BEF and then through the Middle and Far Easts to ensure good old British Fascism had a chance against that foreign Fascism rubbish. As Brexit is all about Freedom, I think we should be free to have as many passports as we like - as long as we are paying our UK taxes what's the problem (and what's the problem with my Grand Cayman passport exactly)

NANANANANANANANA Leader

My mates son who is brickying at Austin's on a development in Newbury says he was a **** bricky As long as he keeps scoring and doesn't harm team morale, he's alright .

and the Tyro league playing at Millbrook

Billionaires wouldn't touch a Sunseeker with a barge pole. Blom + Voss / Fincantierre for them :-) They might buy the company mind

Frankie Bennet was fast as f***, but couldn't play football. Van Gobbell was quick I seem to remember as well, mainly because when he started moving he couldn't stop

I hope that this is Not Exclusive Or they'll be first out the gate. What next NANDos?

Hoddle would give him one

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System Addict

Hacked by Nigel Adkins by the sound of it

never underestimate how thick the general public can be