Whitey Grandad

It's being so cheerful as keeps 'im going.

I'm enjoying it far, far more than any season in recent memory, but I would like a few more clean sheets. :roll:

I was sort of discussing this yesterday with a few of my relatives who are Tottenham junkies. They were complaining about the cost of getting to see a game and how they don't go as much as they used to. How much do we want the Premiership and would it be worth the entrance money?

Heart says yes we could, head says mmm, interesting.

Interestingly our home and away records this season are almost identical: W D L F A Pts Home: 4 4 2 17 12 16 Away: 4 4 2 18 13 16

Did I miss that game?

That's what I was told...

It's certainly better looking up than down.

Exactly what I was thinking but very eloquently put. I'll go for Lambert but only because he's scoring all the goals.

Have you bought your ticket yet?

Look, all I am saying is make it clear and don't waste my time. You try and find where it says on the OS that the whole of the Kingsland is closed.

Ooh, don't get me started.

I'd settle for that. Every season it seems that the team that starts off racing ahead at the top of the table has a sticky spell and gets overhauled, and this year it could be Leeds. Whatever the outcome if we do get to the playoffs we would probably find ourselves facing the likes of Norwich, Charlton, Leeds or Huddersfield and certainly no foregone conclusions.

Ah! Funny you should say that. It is only the first term in the expansion of a binomial expression and hence an approximation....

I can't see any spare Saturdays so I think it must be.

Your words, but I was not talking about me...

It isn't and I don't. I have two season tickets in prime position on the halfway line and I have had them since we moved to St. Mary's. If I wanted to sit behind the goal then I would have bought season tickets there. My big complaint is that I wasted 45 minutes this morning going out of my way so as to be reasonbly sure of getting my usual seat and it was a waste of my time which is very valuable to me, and I was not the only whose time was wasted this morning. There is no mention of any of these wholesale closures on the OS. Those of you who only attend the occasional match may not care where you sit or who you sit next to but we season ticket holders who have been supporting the club financially through thin and thin like the comradeship and familiarity of our matchday routine. As I say, I should have thought that the club would start with opening the Itchen and Kingsland and then progress from there, as they have done in previous matches where a low trurnout was expected.

They don't go any more. At least, the ones I knew who did, don't.

Thanks for the balanced analyses, I was merely offering an alternative veiw of our situation which took into account our deduction. Take it or leave it at your pleasure (or not). My thinking is along your lines, St Landrew, in that a playoff position is achievable if we continue with the same good form but to paraphrase Sam Goldwyn, we shall all have passed a lot of water by then.

I went out of my way to go to the ticket office this morning to get my usual seat for the FA Cup 3rd round only to be told that the Kingsland was closed for this game. The desk clerk said 'it's only Rotherham and it's two days after the new year so we only expect 16,000 and the Kingsland is a big block'. What kind of thinking is this? I and thousands of others come to watch Saints, not the opposition. On that basis I wouldn't have bought two season tickets for League 1. And the prospectus said that we would have priority for our seat for cup games, but that never seems to be the case. I walked away without buying a ticket and I was not the only one to do so. The OS is unclear on this merely stating that 'only certain blocks in the Kingsland will be open'. I post this as a warning to any season-ticket holder in the Kingsland not to bother to try and buy their regualr seat.

Indeed, by that measure we are performing very well at the moment, but we had a poor start. I have seen comments on here to the effect that it is a disgrace that were still in the relegation zone in November, when clearly that was an artificial situation which would not have lasted. By adopting the method I suggested, which is merely another way of interpreting our situation at the moment, one can get an idea of where we would finish the season if all the teams were to continue with the same average form that they have shown so far. If one or two find this concept difficult to understand, then please feel free to ignore it. Alternatively you could wait another three games when we shall be at the halfway point in the season, and, just to get some idea of how we are doing that also takes into account the effect of the points deduction, see what the table looks like with us having -5 applied. Think of it as a mid-term assessment.

You really don't understand the point of this, do you? The league table means sweet FA until the end of the season, so to get a true idea of how we are performing relative to the other teams in the same league, the only valid measure is to apply the deduction proportionate to the number of games played. Otherwise if the 10 points are applied at the beginning, their effect on our relative performance has an enormous effect at the start of the season, gradually reducing until at the end of the season to the average deduction per game that I quoted previously, which is a gross distortion. I appreciate that this concept may be a little difficult for you to understand, but the league table means nothing until the last game has been completed, and the -10 points likewise mean nothing until then.

I can guarantee that we shall reach the playoffs because I have a holiday booked for the last 2 weeks of May next year.

Not bizarre at all. It indicates where we would finish the season if all teams continued with the same average form that they have shown so far. It is not indicative to apply a whole season's worth of deduction all at once.