Whitey Grandad

Worse than that it's not even funny.

I would be very interested in what these 'other benefits' might be. So far there is not a lot to get excited about. Trade is extremely important. It also leads to greater understanding and cooperation.

They'll still be there now. Those machines are useless.

Actually €14m not €4m but they want around €20m. All 'according to an English source'. I wonder who that could be?

Wes, I get the impression that you are happy with Brexit at any price and are not too bothered about what trading situation we eventually end up with. Of course countries trade with each other, it's the costs, difficulties and overheads involved that are significant.

You are obviously streetwise Sue but I know people who refuse to accept that these price hikes occur even when you put the evidence in front of them.

But we have to deal with 26 countries other than Germany and some of them are not too bothered about car exports. What exactly is this 'clout' whereof you speak?

No, Clasie definitely caught Shaw's right foot/ankle which pushed it onto the back of Shaw's left calf. If you think it's easy to do this yourself then give it a try. This is one illustration of where TV is not very good at showing the detail. All the players who were close by and the referee saw it clearly and accepted it.

Good advice.

That's not abuse. Some would regard it as a compliment.

Au contraire, £30m is a gamble if the buying club is stretching its resources to buy him. For a club like Man U it wouldn't even count as speculation.

I still can't get used to him not being our player

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Buying anybody from a foreign league on the relatively cheap is always going to be a bit of a gamble as to whether they are going to adapt to our league. Making a large profit out of them is even less guaranteed. If it wasn't everybody would be doing it.

Let's say that there has been a history of foreign imports who have not adapted to or been a success in the Premier League. Many of these have been moved on subsequently at a loss. I certainly don't remember many in here thinking that we'd sell him on for a big markup after only two years. I admit that I had my misgivings myself. Out of Osvaldo, Ramírez and Mané we just about broke even overall.

Mané was a gamble that paid off but it could easily have gone wrong and there was that early period whilst he was finding his feet. Osvaldo certainly didn't work out.

I read that as Madonna turning them down.

I tend to agree. I can only assume that the club feel that we won't get relegated and that we may need to take a few steps back in order to progress further.

Hmm... Very tempting. Would they both be loans, perhaps?

The players used to get to the ground by bus. My dad played for Enfield Town and they were drawn in the Cup away to Bristol City. Somewhere I still have the written instructions from the club telling him to meet at Paddington Station and not to forget his boots. Sandwiches would be provided It was a different world back then.

4 top players! Have I missed something?

My apologies Enskied. From the number of other posts referring to our supposed glut of income I wrongly assumed that you were continuing the theme. Yes, there's a hell of a lot of money slushing around but as long as the punters worldwide continue to keep coughing up the spondoolicks I can't see an end to it. I know that the players and their agents do very well out of it all. A question was raised a few years ago about the old days of football back in the 50s and 60s. The players were paid pocket money yet there were regularly crowds of over 50,000 packed into rudimentary stadiums. Where did the money go then?

I love you all

I was really only replying to the 'dumb' part but I think we have enough pundits. I'd rather look at Rachel to be honest.

I'll give it a few more games, up to 9 or 10. By then we should have a better idea.

But can we attack?