Whitey Grandad

Nothing bizarre about it. All British companies and assets are now worth less than they were before, as is the British economy. There is no chance that we shall have any significnat trade deals with anybody before the EU does. These other countries will want to settle the EU deals before they get round to us. The EU market is ten times the size of ours and if they were to settle with us first that would prejudice their EU discussions.. Regarding limboland I was referring to our political clout which is now non-existent. We cannot vote nor have any influence on what the EU does from now on. Legally we could try but in practice that would seriously mess up any future negotiations we might have with them.

Please, please, pretty please with spaghetti sauce. Let's all keep this as quiet as possible shall we?

Correct. Although how rigorously this is enforced is undetermined at the moment. http://www.inter.it/en/stadio/ticket-FAQs http://www.ticketbis.net/information/italian_football http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1153-october-2012/9080-the-difficulties-of-buying-a-ticket-in-italy http://www.footballinitaly.com/travelplanner.html "Important note : if you have bought your ticket in advance or plan to at the stadium, every member of your party will need to provide photographic ID to gain entry (a passport is fine for this)." http://www.fodors.com/community/europe/id-please-italy.cfm http://www.fodors.com/community/europe/id-please-italy.cfm "I have been asked for ID several times while at Italian football matches. I have always used my European style, UK driving license without any issues."

They won't but you won't get in unless you can prove that you are the person named on the ticket and in practice that means photo-ID. This is the law in Italy.

Which also means that the whole country - yes the whole country - is now worth about 10% less than it was before. You can continue to stick your head in the sand if it helps you to ignore the realities of our situation. You can crow all you like now (difficult with your head in the sand) but we haven't even begun to leave yet but already our influence in the world has fallen to zero. America and China only saw us as providing access to Europe but since the vote as far as Europe is concerned we are in limboland.

All tickets will have ID details on them but you may be interested in this section about transferring tickets on their website: http://www.inter.it/en/cessione/1 So it would seem that it is possible for somebody to buy a ticket and then transfer it into your name. Of course there is always the possibility that some local decree will prevent you attending but I would think that if you use your non-UK passport you will have no problems in your own name anyway. A few days ago I went through a trial run of purchasing a ticket for Inter v Hapoel BS and putting my nationality as Israeli. I got as far as the payment details without any problems. I am monitoring the Inter site daily waiting for our match there to appear and then we should find out. Whatever happens I shall be in Verona on the Wednesday before the match and I may try one of the ticket agencies there.

It was a Cup Final. I thought it was Everton and Liverpool but it was a common problem back in 'them days'.

Did he though? Very few in the world of football outside the Saintsosphere would put it that way. In what way was any decisoion massively wrong? (Just to be clear... whcih game was this?)

The inflationary pressures from the fall in the £ are only just starting to feed through. Why? Do you not think it better that we all combine our resources or are you hoping that we can keep any external threats to the other side of the channel?

I think you're confusing the result of the referendum with Brexit itself. One of them hasn't happened yet.

I have a vague recollection of 70,000, but it may have been only a rumour. This was the weekend that Blacburn won it. A draw for Man U against us would have ended the season that same evening.

It was supposed to be tongue in cheek, but your comments could equally have applied to these other two and possibly more. They're all in it for themselves. But we knew that already.

I'm home now and have had a chance to see the MOTD snippets. There's a definite grab of Giroux's shirt by Fonte, enough in the present climate to give a penalty. It reminded me of that game at Old Trafford when Alan Ball was in charge and somebody tugged Andrew Cole's shirt in the last ten minutes. 10th May 1995. This was one of the games that my wife came along to and I remember telling her at half time that if the score remained 1-1 then the first time that they got into our penalty area in the last ten minutes Man Utd would get a penalty. If I remember correctly they needed that win to take the title race to the last day of the season and Sky sold thousands of satellite dishes in the following few days. I'm sure that this was entirely coincidental. Penalty aside, the game should have been stopped with their player down in the middle of the goal.

Agreed.

No no no. It's not a lie because you cannot lie about something that hasn't happened yet. This is a very simple concept, I'm surprised and disappointed that you cannot grasp it.

Adoption of WTO rules is certainly not a 'given'. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/07/wto-chief-brexit-trade-talks-start-scratch-eu-referendum

You are talking about Boris, obviously. Or possibly Farage?

You really must learn what is meant by the term 'lie'. To state an intention which is not later fulfilled does not make it a lie. You cannot lie about something that has not happened yet.

It's a mess because it was always going to be a mess no matter who ended up in a position of authority. The whole concept of leaving was so impractical that nobody could find a solution with which we could all work.

Lies, half-truths and spin? This is another of the Brexit myths. You keep repeating them often enough in the hope that people will accept them as facts. The only fact that matters is that we are in a complete clusterfup and nobody, least of all any the Brexiteers, has the slightest clue as to where or how we move on from now.

We can keep repeating this until our faces turn blue. No matter what the public or the politicians want the Home Office refuse to do anything about controlling immigration.

Me? I'm in the middle of the Lake District mate. I didn't see it I'll look at the recording when I get back Tuesday night but I sincerely hope that were not going to go the rest of the season whinging about referee's decisions Did I read that Jose had a grasp of Giroux's shirt? With the present climate regarding holding in the penalty area we can expect a loft of 'soft'and inconsistent decisions until things settle down.

They went back 4 decades on June 23rd

And they were right. The laws that we are talking about are all UK laws and will still be in effect after we exit. The vast majority relate to the Single Market but Britain has gold plated many of them Repealing or changing any of these laws is entirely feasible but will clog up Parliament for the next decade or three. http://www.freshbusinessthinking.com/what-is-the-true-extent-of-gold-plating-of-eu-law/