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They switched to a back give at half time as we were getting behind them so easily.

Plenty more of those, Clyne hacked down by Can, booking all day long and didn't even give a free kick.

Everyone, even Gary Linekar had a pop!

Kevin friend was getting absolutely slaughtered on twitter.

I think we need another season to get ready for the Europa league anyway.

His hold up and link up play is very good but in front of goal he's woefully out of form, scuffing and snatching at shots. Also for a big lad and someone with such a good scoring record on holland he's no where near aggressive enough attacking the ball in the box. He's lacking form and confidence at the moment and badly needs a goal

Poor referee but the only papers over the cracks. A brilliant goal and a dreadful one, we were okay until we got near the penalty area then it all went to pieces. JWP doesn't deserve his place at the moment, Pelle lacking confidence and frustrated, we didn't do enough and very annoyed at the way the players threw the towel in the last 10.

For ****s sake

Sadly I agree JWP doesn't deserve his place just now.

Stop singing Lamberts name FFS.

Another decision against us.

Seriously I'm not one for blaming refs but he has been dreadful.

He didn't even give a free kick for it.

How hasn't he been booked for that!!

You know that'll happen. It was a great goal.

First one wasn't a pen but second one was, got the man didn't get the ball.

When skin colour is made the issue it will always be the issue. My post above is why we can't have it both ways. If we don't see colours we only see people then this has to happen 100% of the time for it work.

I haven't made any conclusions, you've said on several occasions about his personal connection, indeed you even state you have evidence to back this up, but you stop short of saying what it might be. Could it have been him because he has regular sojourns to Paris perhaps, is he is frequent user of metro or underground systems? It's all very vague despite this wealth of evidence you purport to hold.

I couldn't possibly know, I'm not a mind reader, which is why I've asked you several times why you seem to be pretty insistent he'd have a personal connection.

But you haven't explained why he would feel a personal connection.

One of the best anti racism football related campaigns ever was the one in the 90s with Cantona, Sol Campbell (I think) and about what do you see. Do you see a French man, black man or a footballer? The over riding message was to see a person, not a nation or colour. Which is absolutely spot on, how it should be and to be fair how it usual is until something bad happens. then its all about the colour, race or nation. The hysterical reaction, the demands for jail terms. That's all fine as long as the same applies to homosexuals, Catholics, etc etc. If the world wants us to see through skin colours then we should see people and only people on every occasion, not when it suits.

I enjoy it, you?

They will never stamp out racism until they stop making such an issue of it. Every discriminatory offence should be treated equally.

Why could it have been him? was he trying to get on a train on the Paris metro?

Yes, you said there was a 'likelihood he would empathise on a personal level' but won't explain why.