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This is one of my favourite quotes from that time. http://www.southampton.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=12889 Are we roaring yet steve?

The sugar daddy/investment your hero mr Wilde promised us, yes?!!

You also and I agree that we don't know if he would have kept us up or not, so therefore we don't know if we would have been better. Certainly given out performances when he was here coupled with the fact he'd have had a weaker squad you'd have to say it very doubtful.

Making things up as you go along, no wonder no one wanted you as a FOTB! I never said no club of our size did, I said plenty of clubs didn't, which is true. And regardless of how much it must rankle you you can't say for certain that we would have gone into admin with Lowe. What we can say for certain is the man whose arrival you and your little band of power crazed wannabes heralded the arrival of did.

So one manager who might we've kept us up but equally might not have, excellent work.

But we'll ever know if it was a certainty if Lowe had stayed, because he was ousted by someone who sucked a lot of people in with his using of Keith Legg as his fall guy. What we do know for a fact is that the guy who ousted him spent millions we didn't have, promised investment that never came and when all else failed went back to Lowe to clear up his mess. That was the reason we went into administration. Lowe made a lot of mistakes and I've said several times he was to blame for the 2005 relegation, saying administration was guaranteed under him pure speculation as it came 4 years after the premier league relegation and having gone through a succession of other chairmen who spent a fortune In that time.

Loads of expensive loans, kept us up on the last day of the season with a better squad than he'd have has the following season. Can't see how he'd have kept us up given his performance the previous season.

Short term results like the revamp of our academy, hiring George Prost who is credited with a large part of this, bring Walcott, Bale etc to the club and overseeing their development, those sort of short term results you mean?

So tell me about the decent managers that could have come here knowing we were seriously in debt and sliding into administration, would have no money for transfers, has to loan out the experienced players, would have to play a team of kids and had avoided relegation on the last day of the previous season with a stronger squad than the one he'd be going into the next one with. They must have been queuing up.

So you disagree that a CEO of a PLC is answerable to his shareholders and if he fails them may well be out of a job? Fair enough, you're right it should be fun.

Well Stephen by listing all the clubs that got into financial difficulty upon relegation you merely prove my point that Lowe wasn't the some Buffoon that lead us down the path to disaster, it happened with plenty of other clubs too. We had new owners who promised the earth too, funny how those who were sucked in won't criticise them.

What part of 'we were skint' don't you understand? Pearson only kept us up on the last day of the season with a fat more experienced squad. As well as the cheap manager we had to play kids because we had no money too and the reason we were skint was because Wilde spunked millions we didn't have.

As CEO of a PLC that is his job.

Isn't that what I said dipsh*t? He was responsible for the first relegation. When the Dutch clown came in and the bank pulled the plug it was after Wilde brought him back and we were skint. Skint because wilde had spunked a load of money we didn't have and made promises he couldn't keep.

Wouldn't have happened if they'd stuck you on the board would it pal.

Name a current one outside the top 4 clubs who has done better

Ahhh i see. If you take out his promotions with Bournemouth and Pompey, his FA cup win, his taking west ham to fifth, his champions league qualification and quarter final (?) appearances with spurs for the first time ever and top 6 finishes. If you take that out, he's a terrible manager. Gotcha.

Doesn't make him a bad manager. Next. Here's one for you. Name another current manager outside of a top 4 club with a better record.

Promotion with Bournemouth to the second tier for the first time ever. Took west ham into Europe via a fifth placed finish, which is equal saints second best ever top flight finish. Promotion with Pompey to the premier league, keeping them there and winning the FA cup. Taking spurs into the champion league for the first time ever. There's your evidence pal.

No doubt the same internet firing squad that were adamant that we get rid of Boruc as he was a disgrace too. Fontes injuries hardly look like he took a sustained and merciless beating like it was made out. Seems to be it was a training ground spat which happens ll the time but because it was between a new boy who the fans haven't taken too yet and a bit of a club stalwart everyone is in meltdown over it.

Did you meet her on plenty of fish. Mikey?

She loves an apple pie She made Cortese cry

It's about time we had one and this is pretty apt.

As I said the blame for 2005 relegation was lowes fault. The fans in 2006 were angry and would have taken anyone but Lowe. Wilde got his feet under the table by sucking up to Keith Legg and the whole 'Mike asked me to ask you' cringeworthy stuff. Lowe wasn't here when Wilde spunked millions we didn't have or failed to deliver the investment he promised, Lowe came back to a club in debt to to get us out of the mess that Wilde mob had put us in. Of course the moron fans turned on Lowe when all he was doing was stop us going bust, I'm no fan of Lowe and as I've said many times he started out demise, but he wasn't the reason we went into admin.

He also brought to the club One of the best goalkeepers we've ever had and one of the best centre halves of a generation, as well as James Beattie, Kevin Davies and Dean Richards, all good players signed for a pittance and sold for millions. Let's also not forget many of the players now breaking into the first teams were signed when Lowe was here and Walcott, Bale, Chamberlain, dyer etc all came to the club under his stewardship. Its easy and fashionable to blame him for everything but the truth is far different to the myth peddled out on here.