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You got it Jamie. We've got some good options and depth out wide too, want with Downing, Young, pennant and someone who's never been linked with an England call up who could do a job, Matthew Etherington.

All I'm saying is pal that England have tried and failed to play like these fancy continentals, so the only way we are gonna do anything we need to play to our strengths. And that is a caged lion mentality, 4-4-2 how all our boys have been coached since they were 6, a couple of pacy wingers and a strong, aggressive spine to scare the sh*t out of these midget dagos trying to play neat football. We don't have the technically gifted players like the Dagos, wops and krauts do so let's be aggressive, get it foooooooooorward early, Into the mixer and do what we are good at and stop trying to be something we are never going to be.

England can't play this fancy continental style like the krauts and dago. we should stick to what were good at and that means 4-4-2 with a a couple of pacy widemen and a good big man up top with a good little 'en picking up his flick ons. We need to stop fannying about with it at the back and get it Foooooorwarrrrrrrd into the mixer as quickly as possible. We need to have a couple of nasty basta*ds in midfield to win the ball back and then let our wingers have a go at the full backs! Get to the byline and whip crosses in. The more time the ball is in their penalty area and in the air the less time they'll have on the ball. And forget these fancy centre halves who try stroking it around in between stroking their hair, we need a couple of good old fanshioned caged tigers At the back to clatter these fancy poncey foreigners early so they don't go near them the rest of the game. This would be my England team and is build a squad around this lot. -------------Hart Johnson--Shawcross---Turner--Baines Lennon--Cattermole--Noble-----Adam Johnson -----Carrroll-----Defoe Play to our strengths, don't try and be like these Johnny foreigners,

I see you've let the best english players there play for their saints, if they played for England then it might be a bit more even. --------Hart Clyne-Cahill-Jagielka-Shaw -----Gerard----Wilshire Walcott--Lallana---Rodriguez ----------Lambert V -------Boruc Chambers-Lovern-Fonte-Fox -----Wanyama--Schiniderlin Guly-----Davis----Ramirez -----------Osvaldo With those teams can see England holding us to a draw.

To get his confidence and belief he belongs there, the Rodriguez we saw in March was a totally different player to the one that played against Man City on the opening day.

Don't disagree about Jay, it took him half a season to get used to being a premier league player, will he get the opportunity though. That's the problem.

Well this has gone well, 3 players in the England squad one has shocker and two get injured.

Didn't do himsel justice sadly.

I said this a while ago, I watch a lot of Chilean football and mentioned a few of them before on several HCDAJFU threads, of course everyone sneered.

We do and have since our l1 days.

Most of the team do, chile are a very good side to be fair, great on the ball. Think Lallana has done okay though.

Lallana shown some decent touches, Jay seen hardly any of the ball.

You've got at least £150m worth of players on that list there, he was doing something right. It was other areas he wasn't so good at.

Jay looks scared to death :-(

I wasn't one of them. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?39192-James-Ward-Prowse#.UoZ7ybIgGSM

Where did you hear this Jamie?

Not sure a out loan but be gave an interview in the summer saying he wasn't happy to sit on the bench and would fight for his first team place. It's worked, he's gone up a level this season,

When Luke Shaw and JWP get their inevitable call ups and Walcott and Chamberlain are fit that will be 5 saints academy players playing for England and another the worlds most expensive player, not bad I guess.

Rodriguez brother tweeted he is starting, Jay that is, not his brother.

It's actually not, it's an interesting discussion about pace v skill before Obsessed Strawlock came along with his sneering comments.

I'm not wrong at all. Robben and Ribery are good player not because they are quick, they are good players because as well as being quick they can dribble, shoot, cross, track back, cut inside, go outside. They are quality players AND they have pace. Bale and Ronaldo arent wingers, they both drift all over the place. The fact is that the top teams dont play with "pacy widemen" anymore. They may have wide players that are quick but they can do the lot like Robben and Ribery can, or drift like Ronaldo and Bale do. Like you said Chelseas EARLY success was based around wingers crossing into Drogba, 10 years ago. WHo are their pacy widemen now? WHat happened to Moses ad Malouda? They use Hazard, Mata and Oscar, are they pacy widemen? What about Man City, are Nasri and Silva conisdered pacy wingers? And i'm fully aware football is cyclinical, five years ago we were told that the future of football would be tall, muscular players who were athletes, then Barcelona became the best team in the world playing with smaller, nimble players who were skillfull with great touch, vision and movement and all of a sudden everyone wanted to play like that, 10 years ago 4-4-2 was all the rage, managers were lamblasted for daring to only play one striker especially at home, then the Spanish and Germans started playing between the lines showing it up for an outdated system and it was decided that one up top and 3 attacking midfielders was actually the best way to go. You may not like it but right now the pacy wideman like, a Micheal Antonio type, that you seem to be championing is a thing of the past, it doesn't mean pace isn't important but people have started to realise over the last 5 years or so that ability to actually control, pass and move with the football is far more effective than just pace.

good spot!

You're telling me that penalty against Chelsea wasn't a debatable decison?!!! Yes they would be, if we'd had 4 pens go against us in 11 games and 3 of them were 50/50 and one was blantently not a penalty then the referees and everyone else would be being lamblasted by people on here. YOu can be sure Pochetino wouldn't be labelled the new Ian Holloway or a whinger looking for excuses because his team are underachieving!