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is that Steve Bull on there right now? One time Saints half time entertainment and celebrity fatty?

They'll be frothing at the gash at the sight of middle aged, bloated men stood in pubs guzzling beer with the pinstripes providing a nice, slimming effect as they sit tightly around their oversized gut.

I always laugh when people say "if he'd played in a different era he'd be a world champion" it's boll*ks. Players are fitter now, technology is better, coaching is better, 10 or 20 years ago he'd only have access to the same things as players of that era, so Murray wouldn't be as fit, strong and have the same standard as coachingin the era as everyone else. 10-20 years ago Samprass dominated men's tennis, another player who was "amazing" With other great players around like Effenburg, Agassi. Before that Connors, Mcenroe, Lendell, Borg and so on. The players are probably better now due to advances in training, diet and technology but 10-20 years ago Murray would only have access to what they did, so he wouldn't be as fit and have the coaching as he he does now either.

If he cant match the best he isn't amazing then is he, it's very simple Andy, I'm surprised someone like you can't grasp it. He's won no grand slams and often falls short against the true greats. I'm not anti Murray and think he's good but to be considered "amazing" you have to win things and beat the best, so far he has come up short.

Anyone could say that. If Damon Hill hadn't driven at the same time as Schumacher he'd have won more titles. If Henry Cooper hasn't been around at the same time as Ali he'd have been a world champion. If Man United hadn't played Barcelona in their last two champions league finals they might have won them both. Every generation produces greats, Murray is good, but not good enough.

By what they win Frank. Until he wins something that matter he isn't world class.

Ive been to Wimbledon three times, twice on corporate days out and it's full of absolute helmets.

He isn't an amazing player. He's decent, Nadal and Federer are amazing players. Like the majority of sportsmen Britain produces he's a level down from world class.

They play at least one set less every match for a start. Same pay for less work.

And Thomas Ince. *unzips fly to loosen squashed testicle*

Dunno really, it was just awful like the horrendous UEFA cup kit we had. Not that I really give a toss what kit we wear.

How is this criticising Saints?

We can start a "thoughts on the new kit" thread whereby everyone will say its sh*t or great, most will buy it anyway then there will be lots of moans that it's sold out and there isn't enough stock.

We wore a quarters shirt for the last game at the Dell and it was bloody awful.

The inflatable Johnstone Paint Trophies are selling well. The free accompanying song sheet with the song below for trips to Anfield and Old Trafford is proving to be popular. "we won it ones time, we won it one time, the johnstones Paint trophy we won it one time"

Puts in order for 2012 range of 'Why won't anyone sign for Southampton' car stickers.

Appreciate that but MLG Is adamant that if clubs aren't picking youth players they'll lose cat a status. It will never happen.

It could be. The plot thickens.......

To be fair £6m is only 1 1/2 Rory Delaps.

It'll totally discredit the whole thing if none or even only a few of the top clubs are involved. What's the point of having and "elite" player programmable of none of the top clubs buy into it? Nome of the top clubs willrolls old what players to pick and none of them will lose cat a status for not doing so. For the simple reason it'll total embarrassment for the FA if none of the top clubs are involved in it. There will be a loop hole Somewhere for them

Don't believe any of it until Alan Nixon tweets it.

Never going to happen.

Yes they are, they have to pick youth products or lose cat 1 status. Do you think this is going to happen to Man U, City or Chelsea, who by your own admission practically wrote the whole EPP thing anyway.

What happens when a club is dictated to about who they can pick?

That doesn't answer what will happen after these audits and the clubs are dictated to about who they can and can't pick.