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watching the Meridan sports report. The only teams below in the area are Oxford and Aldershot. This is pretty embarassing given that we are the biggest club, have the biggest crowds and more financial backing than any of them.

So why does every other police force in the country have the rescources and deem it appropriate to do all they can too stop fans coming face to face minutes after the final whistle? This includes keep away fans in the ground. They do it with us everytime we visit Fratton Park.

this for me is utterly shameful. IMO no one should have their name released to the press until convicted or admitting guilt. Apart from as you say the whole thing about the basis of our judicial system being innocent until proven guilty (which is b******, if so why were they banned from SMS and the JPT final whilst on bail?) It also influnces the trial. Any memeber of the jury could pick up the echo and read the media embellished reports about what was supposed to have happened, what xxxx is being acussed of and it could influcence their verdict by what it in the written press. An associate of one of the jury might know one of the defendants and people talk, again that could and probably would influcence a verdict, we have seen on here how quick people are to judge, condemn and accuse without knowing any of the facts with some having a "lock um up and throw away the key" attitude. It seems to me the echo have glorified this whole sorry event, i have lost count of the amount of headlines this has given them and they have delighted in reporting every sentance. I am not for one minute saying that events should go unreported, but there is a police and media agenda to this whole thing, that much is obvious.

They did and it was an excellent article, 100% spot on.

I hope Linford Christie gets his c*ck out.

both very nice, Lolelani MchMicheal aint too shabby either...... http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/393301-the-sexy-lokelani-mcmichael

say all you like about tactics, formations and form players, if you give away three goals because of poor defending you aint going to win many.

Answer the question, is it acceptable? Or should the police go to lengths to ensure no crime is commited, rather than let one be commited then arrest the criminal later? Like it or not and most of you wont, the police tactics were very questionable, i have never heard of a derby in the UK for 20 odd years where they have let fans out at the same time. Of course, this does not excuse that actions of those that go looking of for it, but anyone with any ounce of common sense knows that a team losing 1-4 at home in a derby against their bitter rivals means there is a strong possibility of some form of violence occuring and letting fans confront each other within minutes of the final whistle when emotions were still running high was making violence even more likely.

Well they have done a pretty good job of stamping out football related disorder over the last 15 years or so. Go back to the 70's and 80's and there was large scale disorder somewhere every week. These days its rare and any events are massively exagerated and blown out of proportion. 20 years ago there would have been hardly any arrests for the scenes outside SMS. Today we have people in jail for rattling a fence, a media frenzy with it being headlines of the echo on numerous occasions, TV film crews following around the police then making a documentary out of it all and disgracefully wrongly, innocent people wrongly arrested with their pictures, names and addresses splashed all across the echo when in some cases the only evidence being that they were there. Well i was there too, about 50 foot away, not involved, did not attempt to be involved and so were many around me, how would you feel if that was you in the echo, if that was you banned from SMS whilst on bail and missed the JPT final, if that was you explaining to your employers and family why you need to go to court for two weeks and if that was you facing jail for nothing other than being present when a so called riot kicks off? Because it could have been if you have decided to walk that way and have a look at what was going on. Is it just conicidence that these ridiculous sentances are being handed out at a time when A/ The police tactics were at best questionable and B/at a time when police are facing budget cuts? Will the students who kicked off this week and caused damage to government property and assaulted police officers face jail? I bet they dont. Football fans are an easy target, they can give police easy convictions, few willl argue that the sentances are too high and if they do then as we see on here, most will say they deserve all they get, which gives the police carte blance to do what they like, unquestioned by the majority of the public and supported by the media who absolutely love it. Until people start smashing up government property campaining for hooligans rights that is never going to change and we will continue to see people jailed for one thing on a saturday afternoon within a few miles of a football ground and given a 50 fine for the same on a friday night.

Would you consider it acceptable policing if they allowed a known peodophile to hang around an infants school at the end of the day, take and abuse a child, stand around filming the pedophile whilst he waited for his victim, then arrest them afterwards once the crime had happened? Or would it be better to remove the peadophile from the area and then let the children out of school? Thus preventing not only the crime and the effects that would have on the victim but also the expense of custody and the judicial process.

Harrison showed what a mug he is all by himself! Yeah, not particularly impressed with Hayes comments about taking him out in round 3 and putting money on himself to do it, but a lot of boxers have done that in the past, he shouldn't have said it though as like you say a lot of casual fight fans will feel cheated. Haye was in a bit of a no win situation, beat him easily and everyone says that he should have done anyway or if it went on into the later rounds then he'd have been slaughtered for it. I am amazed that Harrison offered absoultely nothing, this was his first and only shot at a world title and the last fight of his career, going out like that is embarassing but in a way sums up his pro career, a lot of talk and hype but no substance. As for Pacquiao and Mayweather, i just hope they finally get it on, Pacquiao is a class act, a brilliant and exciting fighter but Mayweather is too, different styles but both great fighters who could both claim to be the best pound for pound fighter in the world. I really couldn't call who would win it but it will be a great fight. With that and hopefully Haye v the Klistchko brothers too look forward to next year it'll hopefully be the best year of big fights for a long long time.

You cant really blame Haye, it takes two to make a fight and he was giving away height, weight and 8 inches of reach, he got his tactics spot on IMO. Harrison, one punch (a jab) landed in 3 rounds tells the story. I am just amazed that so many thought he had a chance and bought into it all, he has never delivered and despite all his own hype has always been a boring, defensive boxer more worried about getting hurt than fighting. I've followed Hayes career, i remember watching him lose to Carl Thompson 6 years ago and always thought he was an exciting boxer who would go far, but you can only beat what is in front of you and as a cruiser weight going up to heavy weight you cant go in all guns blazing against a heavy weight 3 1/2 stone heavier like he could get away with at cruiser weight, eg, the Enzo Macrinello fight, one big punch from them and it could be lights out however good you might be, Lennox Lewis v Hasim rahman for example. As for your comment about Pacquiao, i think floyd Mayweather might have something to say about that!!

It's not just the old 'uns, a lot of the young spolit brats in our support that have grown up pampered being given everything they want by their fool hardy parents who have created this arrogant little monster, no doubt probably stamp their spoilt little feet in protest that they dare have "their seat" taken away from them. Sulking and complaining that everything is made so difficult for them. These are they type that dont know what life was like before the internet and mobile phones when you actually had to use your inititive to do things and get to places. There are quite a few on this forum, *****ing and complaining about everything and anything. A lot of people that go to football these days i wouldn't call football supporters, they are football consumers.

or Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal.

should be Gus Poyet really, 11 goals 2 against and unbeaten, 2 great away wins at promtion rivals with 7 goals for and 0 against and 8 points clear at the top of the table. You cant really do much more than that.

It is getting better but there are always a handful of idiots who are desperate to start clapping and singing it as fast as possible. It is getting better though.

is absolutely class, now that is what proper football support is all about. Good numbers, loud passionate, non stop singing. No clapping like demented seals and singing at 1,000,000 mph and what a goal celebration. You lot look and learn.

That is bloody good, who did you book that through?

I went to Tunisia in 06 with the incumbent and her family, not great to be honest. Stayed in a place call Port El Kantaoui which is kind of man made marina, a much better version of Port Solent if you will, i think it is trying to be like the Tunisian Marbella (we dont know this when we went) Its okay as place but i wouldn't go back. The hotel was supposedly one of the best ones in the resort but was full of northerners, of particular annoyance was a bloke who had spent his career as a magician in Blackpool and talked about it non stop and thought he was still on stage doing card tricks everynight. Two families of northern chavs, looked like parents with their daughters and grandchildren, the daughters were about 30 years old, overweight with kids, two of them sha**ed a couple of young Tunisians from the entertainment team. Most annoying was a couple from hull in their 40's with an older couple in their 60's. The classic Brits abroad on an all inclusive drink as much as you can all day everyday "because its all free" The 40's couple wore tracksuits and a heavy gold chain and the 60's guy was so p*ssed one afternoon he had to be put to bed by the waiters in the hotel. It was funny watching it but not really my sort of place. Dont think you can go far wrong with the Canaries though, Egypt is quite reasonable, Agadir in Morrocco is not bad went there three years ago and off to Marrekech on saturday for a week. Cape Verde is good for winter sun too and Gambia is reasonable, 2 weeks BB for £500 each. these website are good http://www.greatlatedeals.co.uk http://www.teletextholidays.co.uk

Bugger, i go on holiday saturday so may have to wait over a week for the answer. I may cancel my trip......

they would have left sooner or later anyway even if we had stayed up, but we could have had a few more years out of each of them had we not have got relegated. Could probably have got an extra £10m each for them in that case, had a much better side, who knows what would have happened if Lowe had put if hand in his pocket and given Redknapp the money we needed to keep us up. If only.......

Dont try to please anyone, that way no one will be disapointed, just look at Baj, he doesn't but is arguably the most successful moderator in forum history with a what? unbroken record of 7-8 years of moderating. He has become like that world weary teacher every school had and all the kids hated and his role has become a life sentance.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8492356.How_friendly_match_banter_turned_ugly/ Why is this woman being allowed to give evidence? If this is who i think it is, then the guy who kicked her car has already been convicted and sentanced, even if it isn't what happened to her car was in a different place and absolutely nothing to do with the incident these guys are being tried for. Also i wonder if CCTV shows the car bumper she claims was thrown.

Given the current hatchet infraction policy then yes you would do. I got an infraction for a "pointless post/sarcastic remark" (surely another 200 or so infractions should have been dished out today reading this and the main board) and another for calling someone a "goon" so a racist comment, meant, not meant or even taken out of context is worse than this and deserves more.

i can.