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ON his mission to take Garfoth to the premier league within ten years i meant.

not very well then.

Well if you are sick and tired (which i can spell correctly) of it, then why read a thread called Ugly XI? The clue as to what it is about is in the title, obviously not that tired.

whats he up to these days? Saw his name cup up on championship manager and remember he was going to revolutionise the game and take Gartforth Town to the premier league. How is he getting on with it?

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that'll be enough to put off a lot on here from going.

Always been that way though hasn't it, English managers seem scared of players who are a bit different and dont fit into a specific system, hence why MLT never got a break at that level. How long did it take Bobby Robson, probably the best English manager since Sir Alf, to take the shackles off Gazza? I remember Gazza in his early days coming on in a game and being superb, creative, attacking a breath of fresh air after Ray wilkins and co and Robson slated him for holding onto the ball to much. We seem to try to shoehorn all our players into a rigid 4-4-2 where the team play in straight lines whilst the top nations like Brazil, Spain at the moment, france when they won it, even the Dutch pick a system to suit the best players available.

nail on head, that is the biggest problem, everyone, including the players think that due to the celebrity status and earnings even average players get in England. I think the difficencies of English players are highlighted in the fact that you can count on one hand the amount of English players that have been a success abroad in the last 30 years and that English players seem incapable of playing any other system than 4-4-2.

hard and low into the bottom corners, like MLT used to, or hard and high into the top corners, like Rickie does its going to take some keeper or some save to keep it out.

Yeah might well do that one, going to do a few more away days next season, we'll have to stick a post on their forum before hand to arrange a meet ;o)

So when have they performed? When was the last time you could say, Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard etc had a great tournement and enhanced their reputations? Proved themselves to truely be world class at international level? I cant think of any that have done since the mid ninties when Owen did in 1998 (and he was a young up and coming not a top first team player) and Shearer in 1996. The only exception of Rooney in 2004 and again, lkike Owen you could argue that Rooney wasn't an established "world class player" back then but more of an Owen up and coming type. Agree that these days few international games are a walkover but England consider themselves a top footballing nation and should expect to beat the likes of Denmark etc When was the last time we beat Sweden for example? We consider ourselves a better team than them. The fact is, with a couple of exceptions over the last 40 years or so England have always come up short against the nations we put ourselves on a par with, when it matters in tournements, it cant all be down to crap tactics from a ****e manager.

Cant you read? I said in the tournements. 2002- we looked good against the Danes, 3-0 up in the first half, but really should we not expect to beat the likes of Denmark? We were poor against Sweden, okay against Argentina, poor against Nigeria. So we played well in one game out of five against a team we should expect to beat 9 times out of 10. Then got beaten by a team that we lead 1-0 and played a lot of the game with 10 men. Where where our big players then, when it mattered?

yeah it was, wonder if that young bird still goes, she might be just about legal now :smt045

Well i dont see what your point is, could Saints beat England, no- we agree, however I'm still waiting for this list of games when Englands world class players have been outstanding in world cup or euro championship finals.

I never said you did say Saints could beat England, You called me a hypocrite for saying that Apline was mental for suggesting it and for me then saying that our supposedly "world class players" are over rated. As i have now said for the third time it is relative, i never said they weren't good enough, but that to be truely considered world class you have to do it when in matters, like Messi does, like Xavi & Inisesta do. Name me a time when an England player has been because i cant, apart from Rooney in 2004. When have our "world class player" in the current squad and you can include Beckham in this, as he would have been there but for injury, (i'll give you v Greece in 2001 (?) but that wasn't at the finals) turned in a top notch performance when it really mattered?

Read it again pal, i said on the big stage. IE world cups, Euro championships, not a friendly against the likes of Jamaica. If your going to try to make a point, make sure its about the right thing.

I dont remember Lampard, Cole, Gerrard etc playing Italia 90, do you? and just reread it, missed out got past quater finals twice in fifty years ;o)

LOL at the hypocrisy, you've got the cheek you have a pop at me saying England players are overrated then post this

WTF are you on about? its ridiculous to say that a third tier Enlgish football team could beat a top international team. My point about those listed being overrated is relative, as per the comment about "on he big stage"- when was the last time a third division footballer played for England on the big stage you goon. Those i listed are all described as world class players yet have never performed when it matters for England, or do you think they have, if so when? Or is that the reason why we have only progressed past the quarter finals of any competition in fifty years? LOL at the stupidity, well done now hand the keyboard over to someone else.

When can you say any of those have turned in a top notch performance, when it mattered in a world cup or Euros finals? At a push you could argue for Lampard against Portugal in 2004, outside of that i am struggling.

massively overrated, just like John terry, Ashley Cole, Gerrard & Rio Ferdinand, none of them have ever done it on the big stage for England. The only player who actually lives up to their hype is Rooney.

Hilarious. Its one thing joking about highly paid sportsman being born ugly and who would be hardly be offended by it. Quite another to take the **** out of people scarred in battle defending our country, you sick ****. :smt009

This thread is proof that there when you think a forum hits the depths of insanity and stupidity it is still possible to sink further.

Got a bit of a soft spot for D&R as New Years day 2004 myself and a few others in our boredom decided to take in Aldershot v D&R which was then a conference fixture with D&R a midtable side and Saints top half of the premier league. We stood in the sparsely populated away end, probably no more than 100 fans although if i remember rightly a decent crowd for a conference game of about 4k. Quite enjoyed the day and have loosely followed their progress ever since. Chuffed they got promoted but if someone had said to me that day we will meet in the league in 7 seasons time you'd have ****ed yourself, as they say, its a funny old game.

You dont win anything at christmas, look how far ahead Leeds were then and they only scrapped in. If we are there or there abouts that is fine at christmas, then pull away in the new year, like Norwich did.