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SMS would not belong to Aviva. It belongs to SLH orsome other SFC company. They have a charge over it.They are creditors. I would assume that if SMS is sold seperately, say to the council for £4m, Aviva get all the £4m. This may be what they want to happen. Anyway, the stadium will still exist, and the best deal for ANY owner will be to rent it out, either to SFC or perhaps SFC and some other tenants. The "new" SFC would be relegated 3 divisions, and would need a complete new staff. That is what I think would happen. TheLeague rules seem to allow for this, even in a liquidation.

High repayments and running costs of SMS certainly have been a problem recently, but the club have had far more out of the stadium than it has ever cost us. If we ever get out of this mess, a quality stadium will be the launch pad for a climb back up, as crowds return to see a winning team.And I for one think SMS is a fine stadium, with plenty of atmos on a good day. As a matter of interest, does anyone know the running costs of SMS other than the mortgage repamnts?

Wotte has a contract with the club as manager till end of June I think, and then back as academy manager. he's bound to keep acting as he is, in order to honour his contract. he may know no more than us. Oh, and DMG will score a shedload in L1, if he'splayed i his best position. He is very dangerous running at defences, and not too hot as a lone striker. he can forget the penalties though!

surely even our worst players would look good in BS South. Wouldn't they??!! On a positive note(!!) if its BS South Nick Holmes is the ONLY man for the job. He'd get us out of there in no time, and keep this boards Tommy Widdrington fan club happy by bringing him along. Some decent fixtures in BS South too !

question: if SLH is liquidated,ansd SFC is sold off, would SFC Ltd stillll be entitled to a place in L1? It would, I 'm sure be with the mother of all points deductions. Could we potentially see SFC bought at a knockdown price by perhaps Crouch or someone, as tenants at SMS?

I would think that the liquidation figure might well be more that the 8-10m being bandied about as a sale price. Which would put the club in great jeopardy.

you should try to get ALL your facts correct.We almost always sold out the all seated Dell in the PL. as for the SOS game the sales showed that people didn't think it was going to work, or wasn't neceassary.(ightly or wrongly) The number who regularly turn out shows how many "really really care".I suggest to you that we all care just as much about our club as you do about yours, and everyone else does about theirs.And our attendance figures DO show that there are plenty of us. And as for being an investment opporunity, lets just mention burnley, Stoke and Hull.

you ever heard of a bloke called Mandaric?

presumably if wages etc aren't met this week, then we are into a situation where players become free agents etc. If the pinnacle bid is serious, 500 K to get prefered bidder status is a reasonable ask- and Fry probably doesn't have much alternative to pushing them ito this corner. he needs cash, and fast.

less than 20k for a playoff game!!!

it really is all a bit bonkers. PL teams are buying mid range players for amounts of money that might save our once proud club. For the lack of the same amount of money that would have bought Delgado and Delap we could be looking at Satuday afternoons in IKEA, or at the races. It really doesn't bear thinking about. Although come to think of it, we might make a few quid at Newbury or Fontwell...............

This is the start of a "Look what they did to our city " thread. The Lido, properly run and kitted out for the 21st century would have been a major attraction. As would ice skating, speedway, a proper rock venue etc etc. Imagine the place without the saints.....................

and its small capacity held us back financially. There was no lack of atmos at SMS when we were doing well- in fact I think it was pretty awesome at times. I loved the Dell on an emotional level, but it was a terrible stadium.And on a bad day the atmos could be poor.

we will need a good team to get out of L1. Better than the one we had this season.

Actually I think you can cope in the PL on gates like ours and the SKY money. Problem is, without a sugar daddy it becomes impossible when that inevitable bad season comes around. Just look at Charlton and us.Sooner or later it happens. Also, as brum have showed, the sugar daddy helps you keep your nerve when you do get relegated. I think I heard that their salaries were at £21 m. And they have had pathetic attendances as well

how on earth have Norwich managed to have 25k crowds, NOT had rupert lowe and STILL manged to be almost as bad as us. That takes some doing.

aprt from anything else, the Forecast signing was bizarre in that most skint CCC clubs would get in a season loan, or cheap out of contract player to be 3rd choice. We gave a far from proven PL 3rd/4th (?) choice a 5 year deal. Not unlike the Spiderman signing, these really shouldn't have been the actions of a club unlikely to be able to hold onto ANY of their senior strikers on financial grounds. VERY odd, and plenty said so at the time.

I spent about 20 minutes of one game, (can't remember which one) watching him closely. Everything passed him by. Looked bored and uninterested. no attempt to chase 50/50's. He does have talent, just hope someone else thinks so and we make some cash back.

assuming the club lives on, I think we are going to have to be very patient. -10 at best means we have to have a promotion season just to get in the playoffs. We are a long way from that IMO. -17 0r -25 means an automatic fight to stay up. And patience may be our best hope. The club needs rebuilding all over the place, and 1 short summer may not be enough. We have to build a solid squad built on team spirit and work ethic.could take time. I think whoever is in charge needs to point out that promotion, realitically, is a 2 year aim.

" people in the game...." Like?? delusional. You have had a few good years paid for by a sugar daddy. Long distant League wins. But then so did Derby, Huddersfield and Wolves. Poopey are not a big club. They are a medium sized provincial club like Saints, Wolves etc. Its your day now. Its not for ever. And most of the supporters of other clubs that I know of think that a club paid for by arms dealing in not really in the spirit of the beauiful game. Just a point of view,mind.

she would know how many beans make 5.

Saints have been poorly mnaged for years- THAT is why players who look poor/inconsistent for us go on to do well elsewhere. We need consistency, motivation, a team that is built not thrown together, and we need, as Ted Bates always did, to play to our strengths. ( although I'm not really sure what they are ATM!!) Surman will prove to be a class act at Reading or elsewhere, he is a very talented footballer, and Steve Coppell knows it.

I may br wrong, but surely the decision whether to Liquidate or settle with thecreditors lies with Fry. If he thinks he can get more than the best offer by liquidating then that is what he has to do. If one of the offers is better, then the creitors will have to get the best deal they can from that offer. Aviva can ask what they like- they will only get a proprtion of any offer or the liquidation receipts. Or have I got it wrong?

sadly it happens time after time in other businesses, and as we know it happened at Leeds. You don't have to make it up. It happens all the time. Really don't know how I will feel if he "saves " us. "Relieved but gutted". is that a thing?

Look, its all very simple. The club gambled on getting promotion in the playoff season. Mistake 1 was not having a good enough exit strategy for if the gamble failed. Mistake 2. Once we had lost the playoffs (and the parachute) everything sellable should have been sold.or given away if it was a player on a big contract that rendered them unsellable, like Skacel. Those in charge in the summer of 2006 and 2007 made massive financial errors. Lowe has compounded them, not least by his own effect on attendamces at SMS.