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If labour were smart- no guarantee there -they'd get together with like minded European countries and try to make proper changes to the ECHR to prevent frivolous legal challenges and some of the ridiculous spectacles we have seen holding up reasonable deportations. I reckon there's a good chance they will do that before the end of their term to allow them to ramp up deportation over the next couple of years. You'd have to say their political future depends on it.

Who is worse?

Personally I'd say fuck it and either play the youth team bloke or Downs and just give them the majority of the game to see if they can get close to something. We don't have an awful lot to lose and without Stewart we have little choice until January other than to cross our fingers that Downs does something and gives us more of a presence up top. I'd probably drop Armstrong as well and play Fellows and Scienza to give us some creativity.

I don't disagree. Personally I wanted Rohl but I would have settled for an alternative manager with good man management skills and a bit of experience in this league who can handle the fact that we'd just been shafted every week in the prem. Whatever Will's faults, the primary reason we are where we are is because we are shot to pieces mentally and IMO Still is struggling to address that. We should have identified that in the summer and got someone in who could do something about it. And bought a proper championship striker of course.

I agree. The paedo isn't responsible for the absolute fuck up that allowed him to go free. It sounds like he was largely oblivious to what was happening. I think everyone can be glad he's gone though. Still infuriating that we had to pay him to get him to leave quietly.

The issue of course is how it is addressed. I certainly understand the issue, that some people are worried that treating all small boat migrants with suspicion risks tarring "inocent" asylum seekers with the same brush and that the amount that are sex criminals or who break the law in other ways are still in the minority. Others will argue that there's little sympathy for people who enter the country in a dinghy and that reasonable measures to detain them and prevent the bad apples from harming innocent members of the public is a sensile and proportionate response to people entering the country in this fashion.

I think we have to be honest. If we want to work within the current system and think that detaining those who come over illegally is too extreme and that they should be accommodated for an extended period without any restriction of movement then things like this are the price you're going to have to pay unfortunately. Some people will think that detaining young men from small boats or other measures that might act as a deterrent aren't the actions of a civilised country and that there are downsides to taking more drastic action but the trade off is that rapes, murder and harassment from the number of bad apples will continue.

100%. The likes of MLG were spouting shit about championship experience not being needed and being irrelevant. That might be the case for some teams but it was clear we needed that with our group given how fragile they were and are. I expect they thought Trollope would be sufficient with Lallana maybe. I too thought Still would have been alright and he seems like a likable chap unlike some of our previous managers but he's just not the personality or type we need at present. I don't think he has the required skills to deal with the difficulties of our squad.

Yes but I don't think anyone could seriously argue for not sacking Jones in particular- he should never have been given the job. Sacking Still may end up with us continuing to be terrible- probably most likely- but it doesn't mean the sacking itself is wrong.

I do think if we relieve Still of his duties this week I will look at it and think he's not the only one to blame here. He clearly has a lot of flaws but he's been really hobbled by the striker thing and the players we have bought who don't seem to fit into a coherent system. Also keeping old players to hang around like a bad smell.

Our fan base has so many of these people. They were saying the same thing under Jones, Selles, Martin etc. Just weird. I get shrugging your shoulders when he isn't sacked and hoping for good performances but actively calling for him to stay until January at this point no matter the performances before then? Mad.

Is the correct answer.

Great news.

Honestly I was not aware you were talking about me specifically when I replied to you. It subsequently became clear that you were talking about me and what you posted was a lie.

Rubbish. You and others constantly tell me what I've meant by what I've posted which is your uncharitable interpretation of a post because you disagree with me politically.

Again it's not a consensus of opinion, it's the same handful of posters who largely agree with each other on most other things. Regarding pointless conversations, it's quite simple for you to not reply and waste your time in that manner. Strange that you wouldn't.

It matters when people post falsehoods about what I think so ill correct the record. What the usual handful of posters think individually means very little.

I'm sure you would. That's why it's difficult to have a sensible conversation.

Enough of the ones that matter are able to apply a bit of critical thinking and can accomplish it.

I know you don't. Unfortunately not really anything I can do about that as you would believe I'm a secret racist whatever I said. All I can do is repeat again that I'm not and explain my reasons. Some posters understand that, even some who disagree with me.

I'm not sure what that means. I've got no desire to 'present well' however that manifests, I'm simply just giving my opinion. I don't think it's anywhere near as black and white as some people who disagree with me politically think it is. There's nothing to see through, simply a failure by the usual handful of largely like minded postera who think I secretly believe something I've said repeatedly I don't believe.

Time and again the likes of you and egg allege that. You continually assume bad faith rather than asking for a clarification or accepting what I say. It's not my fault if you refuse to accept what I believe when I've told you explicitly. This conversation began because you claimed I wanted people to think that Pakistani Muslims were the only people who are hooligans and paedophiles- something I have never claimed or ever thought.

Do you have a statistic for how many men are arriving on small boats compared to family men with the rest of their family? Edit just checked. According to migration observatory 76% are adult men so detaining the adult male population who come over would solve a massive part of the problem

How many non Pakistani grooming gangs have either you or farmer posted about beyond the link Farmer just posted?

Statistically it's the men that are the issue though isn't it. Id we had a bunch of women coming over and committing serious crimes then maybe you'd have to look at it but that seems very unlikely.