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Once again showing how much better he is than Mccarthy. I said that last year and some were trying to say that there is no difference.

It's just bizarre. Earlier in the season when we had that run of wins we looked so assured. I'm not sure I've ever known a team that alternates between clueless and classy as much as we do.

What a crap article. Says almost nothing.

Solid red so the first one. No guarantees that's the design though. Personally I think an Ajax version would be better if those are the choices.

White with a wide red stripe. Wouldn't really be my choice but if we go for that then it could be worse. One thing for sure it isn't going to be the traditional red and white normal stripes this year.

What kit do people prefer? Denmark circa '92 or Ajax current kit?

My brother in law played regularly in league 2 and a bit in league 1. Played a number of times at St Mary's too. I wouldn't say he was a very low level, he is ridiculously good when he plays for my five a side team.

Game on second half then.

If we have to make a change then I'd probably bring in Redmond if fit, peraud and maybe Long in for Broja to bring on second half. I wouldn't make any other changes to the midfield for sure.

All about opinions but not for me. We were camped in Norwich's half for a large part of that half.

Norwich are the worst team I've seen all season but also we look bloody classy.

Solid start. Need at least one before half time.

I can see you have no desire to discuss this sensibly and prefer to mess about. Fair enough.

They do think that. They keep calling me a coward or a trump supporter for some reason as if I am suggesting that's what I want to happen. Things are very rarely as black and white as crossing a red line and then going to war no matter how noble the cause. Even if we never see bombs falling in the UK we could very well see serious infrastructure damage, no Internet, energy systems hit etc. How long would people be prepared to put up with things like that? You'd have certain political parties howling about it and saying we were to blame for poking Russia and provoking them to act and in my view that would start gaining traction after a few months of misery. I just don't think that most people want to be involved in politics abroad when it comes down to it.

Well really it would depend on what that defensive force entails and which countries are doing it but we're really just dealing in hypotheticals at the moment and all we can do is give our opinions. Your view seems to be that the minute that Russia attempts to enter a NATO country that there will be a ferocious response of military might and potential war immediately. I think that if it actually came to that that it wouldn't be as united or as simple as you are suggesting. The NATO alliance has not been tested in this way before and after so many decades of peace, I'm not convinced that the general public would have the stomach for the consequences of war.

Well it's both isn't it. Like I said though it will probably be a small land grab of a specific region. I'm not an expert of Eastern European geography but no doubt there will be areas of support for Putin and maybe he'd encourage them to request assistance in a similar manner to what he's done here. It's not as cut and dried as people like to suggest.

Yep. It will be every economic sanction we can muster, robust defence and cross our fingers that the Russian people get pissed off enough to depose him. We won't risk war imo. We don't have the appetite for it.

I just think that the vast majority of people have been so comfortable and contented for the vast majority or all of their lives (relatively). For a lot of people their existence doesn't extend much beyond who got kicked out of the x factor this week or who Jordan is dating this month. Many of the British public have very little interest in politics, probably don't even know what NATO is and they certainly don't want to risk their entire way of life being removed to go and defend a country they know barely anything about. Lots of people actually really dislike this country and what it stands for. A small of that is actually justified given how we ceded the moral high ground with things like Iraq. There's been a number of books in recent years about how the West has lost confidence in itself and its ideology and thus I'm not sure that there's a majority who believe that the values that our country stands for is worth fighting for. The tiktok generation and social media idiots will not be baying to go and fight some Russians in Lithuania were Russia to start attacking us I am certain and those people comprise a depressingly large number of the population I am afraid.

Why do you keep asking what I would do? I've already said I'd support meeting Russia with military force should they invade a NATO country. I'm talking about what I think countries will actually do and what course the public in western nations will support.

Yep this basically. How exactly do you think people would react if Russia started bombing parts of the UK or similar? We haven't seen anything close to that in any of our lifetimes bar a very tiny few.

No I don't and I haven't suggested that. It is my belief that most of the public in their cosseted worlds do not want to deal with the consequences of war should someone like Lithuania be invaded. I coukd be wrong of course but I really don't think I will be given what I know about the average member of the general public in the west.

No it isn't its entirely accurate. Almost everyone would support the principle of being more environmentally friendly but its a different story if they're told they have to restrict flights, drastically reduce meat consumption and stop buying consumable goods to a great extent. In the same way, everyone agrees with the principles of NATO but its a bit different once they have to deal with realities of war and cyber attacks on infrastructure for a few months or years. Let's see how long the noble principles last in the minds of more millenials when faced with that reality (particularly since so many profess to despise many of the supposed values of this country) . My guess is not long at all. I'd support war against Russia in this circumstance by the way, I just don't think that will be sentiment of the majority.

To avoid war then probably. That's the choice that everyone will have to make and I don't think the West has the stomach for a full blown war. Probably better as well for Ukraine to allow Russia to invade with little to no bloodshed given that they will probably succeed either way. Both options terrible though admittedly.

Exactly. If Russia shell any part of this country then there would be mass panic and the question will be raised about why we are risking death and destruction over something so small (like an invasion of Lithuania.)

I don't think it will play out as you suggest it will. Like I said, it will be incremental movements over a period of time rather than a rushed invasion across multiple countries. Given that, no one in the west will want to risk ww3 by having actual troops on the ground fighting Russia. Once the consequences are known such as Internet being down, energy prices through the roof, food prices skyrocketing, mobile phone infrastructure being attacked etc along with many dead Britons, the narrative will be "we are going through all of this for the sake of some tiny Eastern European nation that used to be part of Russia anyway. Its not so different from Ukraine, why are we going through all this pain when we can just negotiate with Putin and sort it out more peacefully." Its not about what I want, but I bet that narrative will be more prominent than the alternative. People have principles but they don't want to pay the nevessary price for them. It's why green policies have such popularity up until the point that it's explained what is required to have them.