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It's fascinating how you can tell the colour of someone's skin based on what they post on here. Remarkable.

Would mean we could bring in a half decent keeper hopefully so I'd be happy with that.

So weird that you can tell the colour of someone's skin just from what they write on a message board.

Thank goodness sue whistle is here to misrepresent everyone's views again. I'm disappointed though that the post made no mention of playing football or alcohol as I'd come to expect those topics from a sue whistle post.

Stand down lads. They've got him.

That channel is a joke. Why anyone thought a TV channel would work in this era I have no idea. They should have launched it as an online streaming service on YouTube or something like that.

Good because I haven't booed them so we are in agreement with that. I disagree that the gesture is "doing something about racism" as I believe it harms more than it helps and the fact you think the link is tenuous is ridiculous and says more about you and your wilful blindness to be honest but we've discussed that issue a number of times. You're welcome to believe that the link is non existent or tenuous and I'll continue to see the evidence in front of my eyes that the link is clear and obvious and was only distanced by football governance once they realised the controversy. It doesn't really matter anyway as the point being made is that regardless of what you believe the gesture is divisive for a number of people who hate the gesture but don't support racism and it should be changed for something that virtually everyone would support.

Hold on I thought we have been told repeatedly that BLM has nothing to do with the BLM that called for the abolition of the nuclear family and defunding the police?

That's what I've been saying from the start. It's totally intolerant to say that you have to accept this symbol and actively support it or you are just happy for people to be racist.

I didn't say that the players are saying defund the police and that they are anti-capitalist. I've never said that.

Taking the knee doesn't help people to know that racism exists. There's never been any disagreement about the existence of racially motivated abuse, it's only ever been about the response and about the taking of the knee.

Indeed and the same thing applies to those who aren't a fan of the taking the knee gesture. Perfectly reasonable and rational to believe racism is wrong but not to like that gesture.

An article on the guardian said 143 I think but they included "criticism of taking the knee" in that.

Well done sir you put it much better than me. You are entirely correct.

Because its a hugely disproportionate response. A miniscule minority post horrible abuse on twitter and there's calls to change the entirety of the Internet on an international level and to end social media, for GCHQ to get involved etc etc. It's also unhelpful to the issue to not be honest about the extent of the problem on social media. It's rather like how twitter blows up certain issues in the uk and it looks like these are giant issues and driving the political agenda, only for elections to come around and remind us that the reality is that twitter is not real life and the majority of people in the country do not give a toss about what social media thinks about certain things. There's nothing wrong with the things you outlined above but those aren't the things that people are objecting to.

The division is what I've already outlined in my previous post. Racist abuse should be harshly dealt with as it is already. If people can be identified then they will be and will suffer serious consequences. It simply isn't socially acceptable to be racially abusive to anyone in the UK and the vast vast majority of people consider it to be completely wrong and most studies into it show that Britain is the most tolerant it has ever been and getting even more tolerant all the time which is fantastic news. I think that focusing on what we have in common and what united us will help hugely. Over the past few years we've sadly imported an insidious type of culture over from America that seeks to divide people along racial lines, seeks to tell others what is an acceptable way to think based on skin colour or sex (look how people are denounced as not really black or not really female based on their opinions) and a horrible type of victim mentality that tells people they are either perpetual victims or irredeemably evil based on their skin colour (see the Robin deangelo best sellers for more of that type of thing.) The last thing I want is for these racial divisions perpetuated and sustained by this sort of thinking to continue because it will only make things worse, resentment will grow on both sides and it will lead to a more racist and intolerant society.

Only a total moron would go out of their way to bang on about the shades of skin of the players in a national football team. Players are there because of their ability and how white or otherwise they are should have zero bearing on it. Certain people have been harping on about it over the entire tournament just as they did during the world Cup. It's so boring and divisive to separate teams in that fashion. Same goes for idiots on the right who were suggesting that there was some conspiracy from Southgate by picking black players to score and potentially win the shootout for England. Its all pathetic.

It's not awareness of a problem that's the issue and that's not what's causing the division. Focusing on skin colour as a great divider, defining people by the colour of their skin as their primary characteristic and ascribing opinions to individuals and making assumptions about them based on their race is what has caused division and made racial relations a lot worse. Many people of all races agree with this and polls back it up.

He was referring to the fact that the police were involved. I suspect he would agree that the clubs would be right to sanction or dismiss them if it is true.

Isn't it not possible to be worried about both? Being accused of being a racist is one of the worst things you can possibly be accused of. I'd suggest that on a personal level you'd be much more likely to be worried about a slur of that nature rather than some idiots sending Rashford some monkey emojis on twitter.

I think that's nonsense. There's loads more tension and division as a result of some of this racial consciousness and critical race theory stuff. There's a fair few polls that back that up too.

Why do people continually say that anyone has said that "racism doesn't exist or that it's not a big deal?" I see people suggesting that continually on here but I haven't seen anyone say anything even close to that. It's a total straw man argument.

Sounds like that was bollocks then. Police don't believe it to be of a racial nature. The media have deliberately obfuscated things to push an agenda.

Vile and disgusting abuse on social media isn't the sole preserve of Black people you know. Some of the worst and most shocking stuff I've read has been against white males and women.

What's the sensible law? I haven't seen it yet.