hypochondriac

I still don't understand why a "white person" or any other ethnicity should have their actions dictated by what others did before they were born who they just happened to share a skin colour with. I'm not responsible for anything they did in the same way that Germans born now have zero responsibility for atrocities their ancestors may have been involved with. Identity politics is cancer.

Hmm I'm not sure about that logic. If you look at some of the universities nowadays then there is an ever growing list of things that offend people. I wouldn't for a moment think about pandering to people like that but he must have known the reaction he was going to get so he must of felt it was worth the hassle and silly screeching from the easily offended.

I'm now in the weird situation of having to agree with always- it makes a change when he actually discusses the team rather than bashing people for having a different opinion. Vvd came back from a serious injury and I haven't seen anything from him on the pitch that suggests he isn't really bothering. Like all players they have good abd bad patches of form. I expect the team being weaker than when he was last in it has been a bit demoralising bit as far as on pitch performance I think he's been professional. I'd still sell him in January and use the money to reinforce other areas where we clearly need some extra help.

It's terrible. You have bbc reporters having to hire bodyguards to attend a conference, hitlists being drawn up against mps because they have slightly differing opinions in some areas and then the inflammatory stuff on front of all the papers about traitors and the like. It's deeply unedifying and of we aren't careful we will end up like America with no chance of any sort of moderate centre.

Let's be clear- lunatics from both the hard left and the hard right have been guilty of making disgusting threats against mps. It's one giant negative of brexit that anyone has felt it necessary to hurl vile slurs at one side or the other simply because of what they think is best for the country. Fair enough being critical if you're actually trying to be underhanded but it's absolutely not on getting personal with mps because they have a different opinion about hpw the country should be run. All sides need to learn that very simple message.

I'd say West brom were undoubtedly worse than us and seemingly Swansea are too. I'd back us to finish above Newcastle at the moment too so that's at least three below us.

Probably not. I expect if I cared enough to actually look at this outrage the majority of people moaning would be white.

I think regardless of the rights and wrongs of dressing up like that- personally I think it's fine- he must have known what the social media response was going to be and so it's entirely his own fault if he is now getting a backlash. You have to pick your battles with this type of manufactured outrage and I really don't think dressing up as a black man is the hill you should be choosing to die on.

Indeed. You and others like you are the worst culprits.

It would require us losing our next two. Even then it's still an overreaction to say we are going to get relegated. We aren't in the same situation as Swansea for example. I think we won't be far off the relegation zone this year but we have improved performance wise over the last few weeks to make me confident that we can scrape enough points to get by. Ideally I'd like a change of manager though during that period so we have something to feel hopeful about.

Bit of an overreaction. I reckon at the moment, Huddersfield, Swansea, Newcastle and West brom are bigger contenders for the drop than us. That could change of course- the Huddersfield game will tell us a lot but that will probably be a draw. Not a time to talk about certain relegation just yet but if I were the club I'd look to make a change if we are hovering around the drop zone about Christmas.

If it comes to it then we have a potentially crucial run of fixtures in February and March that could decide our season. In my opinion I would look to bring in a new manager for January and then really attack those months to get us clear of danger.

You're a bit of a weirdo.

I think if we lose to Chelsea then the Huddersfield game became massive. Lose that and he's gone.

The pr guff from the club makes me feel sick.

To be fair I thought Leicester were excellent. We were poor but I think they made us look worse.

Absolutely this. Huddersfield now a massive game like Everton was. Lose to Chelsea abd them and I don't see how he can stay.

I still feel that he never got a proper crack here. I would have liked to see him have a run of games to see what he was truly capable of, rather like we have given boufal this season.

Redmond over boufal is mad

I thought pied did well in the last game. No lemina and Stephens in after jot even being in the squad is just bizarre. I hope we get a result today or I'll move back into questioning the suitability of the manager again.

Very much disagree. We will see if he gets in I suppose.

Almost all of the noises coming from his party suggests not.

So from those articles we know that he reportedly chanted f*ck off you c*nts- aggressive certainly and maybe not advisable in the current climate but not homophobic. We then have the Echo who says that they consider "does your boyfriend know you're here" to be tantamount to foul mouthed abuse. I'd love to see what the other example is in to form a proper judgement, but given that this is the level that the Echo considers to be "foul mouthed abuse" then the suspicion is that it is extremely mild and not homophobic at all. Happy to be proven wrong should more facts come to light but as the Echo either didn't bother to print what else he said or- most likely- didn't know what else he had chanted it seems unlikely that we will find out.

Where is the evidence that what he sang was more offensive than that? I can't see any. Again, if the echo knew what was chanted then they would have said so or at least written an approximation of it.

Imo the most likely scenario is the worst one- corbyn gets in, concedes to everything and then "leaves" the EU whilst staying in customs union and the single market whilst having no voting rights and paying 50 billion for nothing. All whilst racking up debts.