hypochondriac

I don't think it really matters. We aren't getting back in and at that point subsequent legal action isn't as interesting to fans. I'm going to enjoy the summer with a few world Cup games and then I'll watch the cricket and ignore football for a while.

That's obviously going to come following the unsuccessful appeal and when we sack a load of people. It's not whining, it's highlighting disproportionately which is clearly what we are going to use to launch legal action when we fail on appeal.

But the efl didn't decide on the punishment.

But if we accept that the panel and the appeal is independent and they have recommended expulsion then who is would be the target of litigation?

Who do you sue though? It's an independent panel. Maybe he has a claim for the shortened disciplinary and appeals process?

It's in no way a bad statement. Struggle to see what else he could have said under the circumstances.

Keep it. Collectors item!

As someone else has already said, if we want to make a claim then this is the sort of thing you would say to facilitate that.

What else was he supposed to say at this point? We've admitted the offence, the only card we have is a plea for mitigation based on proportionality.

Should have sent that yesterday to be honest. Doesn't tell us anything we don't already know other than a working group which is maybe a subtle way of saying that we know it goes on everywhere.

I don't think it's fair to expect the players to investigate things to that extent. To a large extent I've made my peace with all the half talented ones leaving now as nothing we can do. Hopefully we can pull a team together of Bragg, Stephens, Quarshie and whoever else is laying around fro the youth team. I expect I'll be taking a break for some of next season though.

Agreed with that that really we've been punished twice which is why I think they might consider taking off the points deductions on appeal. Not that that's any consolation for the players who will now all leave.

How could Tonda have been so reckless and put so much at risk. We've paid the price for hiring such a relatively young inexperienced manager and not appointing someone with more experience alongside him. Not that that excuses what he's done

Because their lawyers orncrisis management PR people have told them to. Extremely odd I think not to have even put out a holding statement yesterday acknowledging the charges and our intention to appeal.

That's why they gave us a points deduction too. Kicked out for the Middlesbrough spying and points deduction for the other instances.

I'm not sure they have. Isn't the rule that they don't have to give us 14 days in exceptional circumstances ?

I assume the players are fucking furious with Tonda if its true they had no idea.

I really wish,they had booted us out prior to the playoffs starting. The second leg especially seems like a complete waste of time and effort.

What wind? We broke the rules repeatedly. It was systemic. Reportedly they have text evidence where we tell analysts to go and do it. The club paid for analysts to stay at hotels whilst we did it. We had images joking about it and we tried to disguise analysts so we wouldn't be caught. It's a clear and repeated breaching of the rules to try to cheat and gain an advantage. I don't see how they reduce the penalty to be honest although I don't think it's fair to have the appeal the next day even if I understand why they've done it.

The worst bit is there's a real possibility that the turd who won't flush Gavin Bazunu will be lining up for us again.

Probably would have been a lot better off losing to Middlesbrough last week.

Oh dear. There's quite a lot of tying up in knots being done in this thread now trying to hold onto hope about loopholes and irregularities. They've pushed the nuclear button. It won't be reversed and we have to live with that and try to mitigate any damage. The sooner everyone on here gets their head around that the better.

Not remotely comparable if you lose on the pitch.

Give it a rest. Not really the time.

I'm thinking back to all those recent Tuesday games where I didn't really fancy going to every game but dragged myself along because I thought the support was important and because we were so close to cementing ourselves in the playoffs. Wish I had stayed home and spent time with my family instead.