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Crystal Palace's first goal was worse than a silly pass from Salisu towards Lyanco. Run it back a bit, we had a good attack down the left, Tella and I think Redmond had good position near the corner, instead of pressing on with the attack the ball was recycled backwards into our half, Hughes upended Romeu the rest was poor. We didn't need to give up a good attacking position, worst case, attack the goal line and win a corner. We often play the ball backwards from good attacking positions invariably finding JWP who virtually always plays it further back sometimes to the goalkeeper. Does nobody realise that we are doing the oppositions defensive job for them by being obsessed with possession. We have to be braver in the final third and press attacks home to a conclusion.

It was done to accommodate Adams and Armstrong who are the only others who might get us a goal. He is still very young and inexperienced and could possibly benefit from the extra space he might get coming in from wide. The other alternative would be to play Armstrong there but personally I prefer Broja. As for CP, the team will be entirely different because of injuries to all of the those..

I would have thought it was pretty obvious why? Firstly he has played wide at times for Vitesse and Albania, secondly there is no other player that can play wide and would be even remotely likely to score on a regular basis and thirdly he has good pace and power. He is useful in the air and if we attack down the right could be a threat coming off the line into back post scoring positions. Only Stuart Armstrong when he is match fit could possibly do a job there but he seems more comfortable on the right. All the others tried there have hardly supplied any goal threat. He would have to sharpen up his tracking and defensive duties but that can be worked on. For me he is currently our best finisher.

I had heard that happened before the first match and was revisited a while ago. I was never able to get confirmation. As for Forster I didn't get him being registered and not being picked when McCarthy was performing poorly. Even if he is leaving he performed well in his appearances.

We have some fundamental organisational problems added to the fact the players don't seem to fit. Leaving the goalkeeping nonsense aside we have to be better organised at the back. At the moment we need to stop this rediculous zonal marking with nobody marking anybody and opponents playing through the gaps. For me Liveramento gives too much space to opponents on our right side because he is encouraged to get forward and struggling to get back, KWP was the same. They are defenders first and foremost so defend and back up attacks when possible. Centre back wise only Salisu is worth his place. Bednarek is too slow and too negative. Stephens is one of the worst ball watchers I've ever seen and has learned nothing for years. He is half decent if he would just learn to look around but a liability because he doesn't. That leaves Lyanco who is impetuous but in present circumstances worth a try. The left back has to be left sided, I've lost count of the times KWP on his wrong side loses the ball and we are desperately defending. That means a defensive back four of KWP, Lyanco, Salisu and Perraud. I do wonder what Simeu could do if given a go. Romeu is a shoe in at midfield, JWP needs a boot up the backside for starters. He isn't a leader he's a footslogger. Personally I'd give Liveramento a go in front of KWP and Broja in front of Perraud leaving Adams and Armstrong up front. Go man to man rather than zonal and do what it says on the tin win the ball back in 8 secs and get a shot in 10 secs later. That means more disciplined defending, and pass the ball forward as quickly as possible to break the opponents lines as Arsenal did to us yesterday.at the same time maintaining a solid defense. Get Forster in and Stuart Armstrong back in the squad as soon as possible.

Co commentator Tony Gale made a telling comparison that one of the major differences in the two sides was the goalkeeper that saved everything against the goalkeeper that saved nothing. Personally I find KWP a critical problem, cosmetically pleasing going forward but again today his failure to be able to tackle left footed let Arsenal break our lines. Emergency left back, yes but not every week he is just too right side orientated. We need to be rebalanced. No left sided players in the team. Diallo floated around but failed to impose himself. When the ball went into the left of our goal Stephens was level with the post, in all the time the ball was bobbling about he never once looked at anything but the ball. Neither he or Bednarek were alive to the danger so we conceded a dolly goal. JWP is back to his worst, often receiving an out ball from a colleague with the opportunity to pass forward and immediately playing it back or behind his target forcing us to go backwards. I seem to remember either Poch or Ralph quoted, Press, win the ball back in 8 secs and a shot on goal in 10 secs. Rangnick quoted the same thing to MU. We once did this but not any more. Win the ball and pass it back no wonder we don't score enough goals. Arsenal's first was a classic break and overload.

If McCarthy had done his hamstring he should have gone down before the kick was taken. He seemed to have no problem setting up the wall and didn't look bothered by anything else.

10 minutes left. We need to send these players back to school. Against 10 men. Stick the ball into the corners. We are so into the tippy tappy that we don't know that now it's play it long and pin the opponents into the corners. Today WH v Chelsea, Rice with seconds left stuck the ball into the back of the stand. that virtually finished the game. There were a load of under hit passes and give aways before JWP's stupidity rolling the ball to an opponent. Romeu and Salisu are out of the next game to cap it off. JWP running back out of the defensive line was a real panic over organisation. Everybody else held the line. anybody goalside was offside. JWP showed so little leadership as captain.

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It was Liverpool, given a heads start all fired up FFS. They were far better than us on the day. Having said that two big mistakes stand out. Liveramento gave up on the edge of the goal area and let his mark go for an easy tap in. Secondly Adams aimlessly headed the ball out to Thiago who ran in and shot helped by hitting Lyanco. Heading it out to the right would have given a chance to close it down. Two unecessary goals. The bloody disasterous zonal marking meant nobody marked anybody. Flapper misjudged VVD's low volley trying to stop it with his legs. FFS unless we get a goalkeeper he will take us down. He touched Mane's curler over but batted Ox's shot straight back out luckily to nobody. Until we get a proper keeper Forster needs a chance. Picking McCarthy every week is the biggest mistake Ralf is making.

That was a disgraceful display. Flapper McCarthy was incompetent at the near post. Came out and missed a corner completely. As long as Forster is at the club in my opinion he should play. That was three points chucked away. We were back to trying to over elaborate at the back and lost the ball or gave it away time after time.Sideways, aimlessly back, sideways back repetitively. If that is the sort of play Hasenhuttl advocates he is an idiot. It caused us more problems than Norwich did. Once they started pressing us we were under pressure. Diallo is no replacement for Stuart Armstrong. For the first Norwich goal W-P was caught dwelling on the ball. He was poor today, coming inside or going backwards. He should only be playing on that side if Perrault isn't available. Bednarek is hopeless in possession everybody knows he is going to dither and turn backwards. All the short passing at the back is just asking for trouble. We played into their hands. Walcott again had the ball in the clear and turned back ended up giving the ball away and a corner resulted. Flapper McCarthy missed completely at the near post.

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Hi Eric, We've all flown with or observed these people and just scratched our heads how they kept from the dreaded simulator chop. It always seemed to me that the aviation management in most companies was pretty poor and made keeping their heads down into an art form.

As an example. An A320 crashed into the sea after attempting to carry out three visual approaches in Cavok conditions the pilot lost it on the third approach. All on board were killed. At this airport we were handled by the national carrier. A couple of weeks later I flew in there. I was completing the flight paperwork in their operations dept. In the course of conversation I asked what had happened with the A320. The European ops officer raised his eyes to heaven and recounted a sorry tale. A young well connected man wanted to be a pilot, the airline sponsored him, he was totally unsuitable for all sorts of reasons but politically had to be passed, became a First Officer. After a few years his family status demanded that he be made a Captain. The crash was the result of him being unsuitable but well connected. Loss of face was/is a problem in some oriental airlines and has caused many crashes.

Henderson can appeal. However employing a private pilot who didn't possess a night rating at night in a non approved foreign aircraft that the pilot's rating to fly had expired, together with the fact that the aircraft was single engined and illegal to operate commercially over water at night and hadn't been approved by anybody to carry out flights..

Henderson got his jail sentence today.

Dean Smith sacked.

Hit the nail on the head. There is a big place in attacking for high dropping balls now and then. With physical pressure under the ball from attackers defenders find them a nightmare to defend. The inevitable consequence, the ball is headed up in the air but more likely a breaking ball which Armstrong was alive to and reacted first. I remember Johhnny Giles, one of the best passers of a ball ever, some times faced with a packed defence, just lifted the ball into the air to be able to loft it and produce a classic rugby Garryowen dropping ball along the lines of JWP's accidental up and under. Nearly always causing panic. I'm not advocating route one but I am advocating lofting gentle up and unders now and again well away from goalkeepers. I hate the negative back passing mostly leaving it with McCarthy, who is just about the worst and most innaccurate kicker of a ball around. Opposition are sooner rather than later going to make us pay. The other thing is what are the opposition doing while we do this, putting their complete team goalside and their strikers closing us down.. Towards the end we looked far more comfortable when McCarthy lofted the ball into Villa's half, mostly resulting in them having to try and win the ball with the clock running down and our attackers running it into the corners. I personally think we should get the ball quickly forward and out wide between their lines giving our attackers the chance to pull defenders around.

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I saw it attributed to Daily Echo.

Ron Davies was the best attacking header of a ball I've ever seen anywhere in the world. Absolutely unplayable. Paine and Sydenham teed it up and Ron buried it. It was Sydenham that assisted most in the four goals at Old Trafford. The ball was always out of reach of the goalkeeper as Ron timed his run in from outside the area and attacked the ball with an astoundingly high leap whilst almost hanging in the air whilst heading the ball. Nearly all players now stand around in the six yd box grabbong handfuls of shirt or holding opponents, so really can't attack the ball.

Maybe you weren't paying attention but on occasions unlike Forster who put a block in McCarthy stays rooted on his line on the near post and throws his arms up as the hall flashes past him. He also never goes in with his upper body as other keepers do he goes legs first. That tells me he doesn't like to do what Forster does when blocking, come out quickly arms and body blocking in case he gets hurt. He blocked several on the near post last night being aggressive and courageous.

A couple of players for opposing reasons stood out for me. Forster for the courageous way he played and put his upper body as a block on incoming forwards. McCarthy won't do this he doesn't relish the thought of possible pain which results in the ball going past him Forster for me every day of the week warts and all. The other player is Walcott, another that seems not to relish any physical contact. Pulls out, doesn't go in at all, steers clear of contact or any likelyhood, has a little half hearted nibble now and then but lacks the determination. Until he can overcome this he is a player on the periphary more cameo than contender.

Another thing that we shouldn't be doing is the centre backs defending square. One attacker, Bednarek goalside to aggressively deal with the attacker, Salisu tucked in diagonally goalside of Bednarek who can ruthlessly deal with the forward without fear of being sent off.

One of our biggest problems is recycling the ball without movement or tempo whilst our opponents are allowed to reset and defend in numbers as the congestion gets worse. We need to play at a high tempo from the back, get the ball going forward quickly and breaking the defensive lines while there is space behind. Hassenhutl doesn't seem to get some basic don't does. Unless there is no alternative do not play players out of position. Perrault at left back. Piss or get off the pot. Tino or KWP, alternatively try both on the right. On the left Redmond and Djenepo give us different problems for me go pace with Tella or Broja or even both of them on either side if Adams has to play.. Up front Adams runs about but is nearly always late getting into the box. We need to up our tempo and pace That then leaves JWP, Romeu and Bednarek as the players lacking pace. We need to break at pace and don't need JWP and Romeu working the ball around. They would be best holding in front of the centre backs and giving us a bit of cover. They rarely do anything useful up front anyway.