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If a million people are turning up, it seems like they've got a lot of people on their side. They won't get the government on side as those million people aren't going with their flow.

You've shifted your position Del. If you're saying that the organisers knew that the protests may cause disruption, of course they did. That much is obvious. That's a world away from your original point that the purpose of the protests "is simply an attempt to cause mass disruption". The possible counter protest has been mentioned after the protest was announced. I'd hazard a guess that the motivation for that is almost entirely to cause disruption.

Nope, that's not how it went. My original point was that there's nothing disrespectful about protesting. Your point was "this is simply and attempt to cause mass disruption" on remembrance day. I've never said that there may not be issues. I've said that there'll likely be idiots. What I've also said is that the purpose of the protest is not an "attempt to cause mass disruption" as you claimed. This rhetoric that the protestors are setting out primarily to disrupt remembrance day is nonsense. Sure, there may some disruption from those in attendance, but there's a world of difference between that and the actual objective of the event.

Answers above Del. I'm not sure if your questions suggest that you've moved away from your initial point that the protest has been organised to cause disruption, but that there is scope for disruption. If that's now your position, we are agreed.

They're doing them lots of days. Today included. Ditto tomorrow. What's essentially being suggested is that they shouldn't do it that day. In an ideal world they would have a day off, but they don't have to, and shouldn't be made to.

So it's an assumption that they want to disrupt. If it's in another area (which they want) , starting later (which they want) and properly policed (which it should be) the 2 events will not interfere with each other. What we cannot do as a democratic society is clamp down on protests on a gut feeling it'll go wrong. #slippery slope

I'm not naive, but the suggestions that the purpose of the protest is to disrupt remembrance is nonsense. Yes, an element will be idiots, but that doesn't make the intention of the protest to disrupt remembrance or desecrate the cenotaph. The subject is completely unrelated. The counter protest will be interesting, and the government have thrown fuel on that by calling the protests "hate marches", and a few right wing commentators haven't helped by labelling supporters as "hamas supporters". All of that will make people more determined to protest.

Didn't see a minute of that so can't comment on the performance, but delighted with the win, and a much needed clean sheet. Our goal difference is no longer in the minus either, which is nice.

If some idiots want to make it something else, then the police have a job to do. But idiots being idiots doesn't make the organisers/protesters want to disrupt the remembrance stuff, which is the suggestion that people including Sunak are making.

Feck me. We do like injury time!

I'm glad I couldn't get a stream to work. Disappointing afternoon.

Not ideal. I haven't got one to work at all.

What's that gotta do with remembrance day?

That doesn't suggest that anyone wants to disrupt remembrance events. The organisers have said that they're liaising with the met over routes, and will stay away from the cenotaph area. People are jumping on the Sunak and Douglas Murray bandwagon. Indeed, people like Murray ain't helping by calling the protesters "Hamas supporters". It won't be long before the government follow suit.

Nice. Very happy with that. I like Bree at LB. He gives Sulemana freedom to do his thing down the left, ditto KWP down the right. I fancy a comfortable 3-1 today. S Armstrong, A Armstrong, and Alcaraz.

Why is it obvious that people protesting for Palestine want to disrupt remembrance? They're gathering to call for peace. Sure, there'll be some nonsense and disruption from some idiots, but what makes you believe that's the intention/tactic?

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Them being settled is a fair point. What they have in depth I don't know, but hopefully it's not enough!

Agreed. I'd have been om with Winks, but I'm delighted with Downes. Very good player. There's no way that our squad should be behind Ipswich. Management and coaching are making them over achieve, and us under achieve.

Once again we'll agree to differ. You remember how you choose to, I'll do what I choose to, and these people will do what they choose to. You'll be as impacted by it as I will. The police will have the job of preventing direct impact in London.

Thanks - my misunderstanding. Apologies.

I'll remember in the Romsey memorial park as always. Plenty of others won't venture out, but will remember. Others won't remember at all. Some will be protesting. Some will be shopping, going to the gym, etc. That's their choice - they don't have to remember. Plenty of people choose not to remember. Going on a protest is no more disrespectful than choosing to do something else other than remember. My remembering is not diminished by anyone else not remembering. Nor is anyone else's. If the protests directly impact on remembrance that's an entirely different issue. If they don't, there is no issue.

You seem to be struggling to separate Hamas and the Palestinian people.

He'll get a brief run out against WBA I suspect. Then something behind closed doors during the international break, and step up his return after that. Good to see him back. And score.