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Cheers. I'm 15 mins in. Interesting that one of the fella's is ex Al-Qaeda, and the other a former 9/11 conspiracy theorist!

Truth

Yep, agree with that. On the face of it, a draw away to a team above is in the league was a decent result. The problem though is we were crap, again, and played ploddy football. We need a big improvement against Birmingham, and a convincing win.

That's a long winded way of saying that you didn't see any improvements either. Thanks.

So you swerve a question that addresses your own point. Not terribly helpful if you want a discussion, or expect people to listen to your point. I'll ask again. What improvements in our performance and / or tactics did you see last night?

It was a response to your "we ain't got a time machine" comment. We have hindsight after games, and the opportunity to fix it. What improvement did you see last night?

How about learning from the previous game, then making tweaks and improving?

Yep. Who is switching it up in injury time? If it's RM, you'd like to think that he's capable of realising that what he's doing in injury time is a better plan than what he's doing in the 90mins beforehand.

Yep...7 points between us and 21st place.

It was that or an out if position Charles. RM can only play who he's got.

Meghoma the only defensive cover. 😳

I read on here that he was injured. Meghoma has been the u21 LB so I'd assume he'd be the one we turn to if we're desperate.

They don't want to blow themselves up for the fun of it Weston. They're willing to die for a cause.

Personally, I think Jews, Arabs, and random people in the wrong place at the wrong time will get caught. I think there's a much bigger risk of pro Arab and anti semitic attacks.

"All of their drive" I'd disagree with. Sure, martyrdom flowing from interpretation of Islam will be a driver for some, but one cannot ignore why they're willing to be a martyr. I've watched the first half if that video that Hypo posted up and the fella Sam spends a long time saying that in his opinion Muslims want martyrdom for ideology reasons alone. That overlooks that martyrdom is something that some are willing to succumb to in pursuit of a cause. That cause must logically include vengeance, opposition to occupation, etc.

There's no stats for what hasn't happened yet Whelk. I hope I'm wrong that this doesn't hit our shores, but I suspect you're in minority if you think (hope) that it won't. I'll watch the vid later. I suggest watching the vice news vid that was posted on here yesterday if you haven't.

An excuse to us, but justification for them. The thing is, there's justification/excuse throughout this dispute, and at every turn. When an idf soldier shoots and maims a kid for throwing a stone, the idf soldier sees himself as justified whereas the Palestinians see the stone throwing as an excuse to cause harm. The Palestinians then fire a rocket knowing it could maim innocents, and see the shooting of the kid as justification, whereas the Israeli's consider it an excuse. The idf respond with reprisals. And it goes on, and will go on in perpetuity by the looks of it. That's not a statement in support of anyone. It's an objective view of what's been happening.

Semantics/details aside, more fundamentalists will inflict harm on people living in Britain as a result of this. That shouldn't happen, but it undoubtedly will.

That's sad to hear CB, but understandable. I've felt safe anywhere I've been over the last few years, whether it be the tube, a theatre, a plane, whatever. That will change sadly.

Agreed. We have cover of sorts at RB, but nothing at LB. It'll be interesting to see who plays there tonight. I'm expecting KWP at LB with Bree (probably) at RB which will disrupt us. Meghoma could be given a go, but I doubt it. Another CF depends on what happens with the new bloke but assuming he can come in soon and stay fit, I'd like to see another come in and Mara moved on.

We're seeing bits already - the fella stabbed at the ATM a couple of weeks ago was mindless, and seemingly in the name of this. Collective punishment leads to collective punishment which leads to collective punishment, etc.

Not what I've said, but try telling American's that 9/11 was a weak attack. Try telling Israeli's that 7/10 was a weak response. No sensible person should agree that whatever Israel do in Gaza will end the violence. It'll increase it, and whether anything from the the Arab/Palestinian side is "harder" is academic - the fact is that it'll be deadly, and lead to the circle of violence continuing.

If we're back to insults rather than constructive discussion, you really are being a prick for the sake of being a prick. SoG has said nothing that gets remotely close to being a terrorist sympathiser. He's stated facts. If they touch a nerve, then look at yourself, not SoG.

Blue

This for me is important. I get the desire to be rid of Hamas, but think back to the Beirut siege in 1982 (a siege that the Israeli's were criticised for btw) and the aftermath. Israel wanted to eliminate the PLO. Sure, they were pushed out, but not for long and the resistance ideology increased. We then got all sorts of other resistance/militia/terrorist groups, and the wish for retaliation. Indeed, Bin Laden said in 2001 that the 1982 siege was part of the motivation for 9/11. Don't get wrong, he didn't need any motivation, but if nothing else that siege gave him what he felt was a justifiable excuse. If Hamas are dealt with, there'll be a replacement along soon enough. It's a futile pursuit by Israel that will only make things worse for them, the region, and the rest of us.