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I will do, thank you. We've added some stuff from you and Gloucester to the list, and noted to swerve Bradford!!

Yep. I'm an unashamed lib dem who didn't vote for either so just say what I see. Labour inherited a mess, but have arguably made it worse with their financial decisions. I think we'll do well to avoid a difficult recession this year or early next, and there's a danger that of Torie esque spending cuts to help stop borrowing and the interest bil spiralling.

I'm loving this thread as we're doing a north yorks road trip in the camper in the spring, thanks. Did Northumberland a couple of years ago which was amazing, but never seen much of north yorks so really looking forward to it.

Only staunch labour voters will shout down due criticism. What I find irritating is the "it's all labours fault" without any acknowledgement of the mess they inherited. For me, the Tories got it wrong for too long, and labour have made poor decisions thus far.

Labour's big mistake was refusing to reverse the damaging Tory NI reduction, and then passing the bill to employers. It was always going to have repercussions, and has. And yep, people will keep banging on about the Tories, Truss included, killing the economy, because they did. Labour, for their part, were given a mountain to climb, but are trying to climb it the wrong way.

Running away?! Behave. I have better things to do than continue a discussion ad infinitum with someone who clearly hasn't got anything better to do. You were wrong on the COVID point, citing articles 2 or 3 years after the event. Yet again you couldn't accept you were wrong, but I ain't got the inclination to keep reminding of you of that so happily allowed you the last (wrong) word. And no, I won't carry this on cos not a discussion. You're wrong, it's obvious, but you can't/won't admit it. I'm always willing to let you have the last word poppet, and you can have it on this issue too.

Are you seriously claiming that the video shows her laughing at mention of men's suicide? Seems to me that, once again, you've spouted off, got it wrong, but haven't got the humility to acknowledge that you're wrong.

She didn't. Her comment on it is here. If there's a link proving that she did, please post it. Thank you. On the second part, can you please explain why a need for an inquiry has only arisen since labour took office? Do the findings and recommendation of the 2022 report not cover the issue?

Pointing to articles from 2023 is not evidence of legitimate reports from 2020/21! Bless.

But, but, but, there were legitimate claims Badger, hypo said so (noting that the best hypo can do is refer to a report from 2023, not at the time the virus was actually an issue).

I'm making no claims. It's you who's saying that there were apparently legitimate reports that china created COVID. I saw no such claims at the time, and would be grateful for the links. Thank you.

Err, I'm not making allegations against china. Hypo claimed that "legitimate narratives about China developing Covid were suppressed". They weren't legitimate. They were unverified claims/lies.

Good. We need to play to win, and I want to see these players earn their keep.

So you can't in fact point to any fact checked and evidence based claims that china developed COVID. Call me sensible, but I'd rather we prevented the distribution of non fact checked and non evidence based claims of a serious nature.

Ah, gotcha. Were there fact checked and evidence supported claims at the time that china developed COVID?

I can't agree on a complete block on censorship. There's too many dinlos that treat anything they read as fact. We need to keep focus on the truth, not BS.

It's a claim that could we'll be true, but the point is that he hasn't substantiated it. That said, is his timing coincidental or contrived?

Yes, but the point is that him saying it happened doesn't mean that it did. Regardless, governments were (correctly imo) trying to roll out viruses to try to get the world back to normal so on balance I have no problem with suppressing an anti vax agenda.

That's exactly what it is. Sycophantic big business owners are saying what they need to say.

That's Badger's point. It's a claim.

First doses, yes, but it entirely plausible that Zuckerberg is being honest and that the Biden people applied pressure after he came into office. That said, I'm not sure what to believe here and the timing of that interview is interesting.

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Starmer inherited a mess. His not making this a priority in July is understandable. The Tories doing nothing for years (the first Jay report was 2014, and there were ambu more reports thereafter until the final report in 2022 which they ignored). That is unforgivable.

Ever decreasing circles, and you to be in a minority on this. That's probably as you're wrong. I repeat, for the last time as it's tedious, that's it's daft to attack labour for not doing immediately upon taking office what the Tories did not do after the Jay report was issued in 2022 and before they vacated office in 2024. I'm staggered that you can't see how silly your argument is. Most can.

Sherry