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Agreeing with Hypo and Duck is a first for sure. Blair, for all his faults had a direction, and some gravitas. Starmer had neither.

Trump: Israel, stop bombing, now. Hamas want peace. IDF then kill 20 in 3 air strikes, and tell people to move south as Gaza city is still in active combat zone.

In actual Israel related news, Hamas have agreed in principle to release the hostages. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxq7zp7002o

Just catching up with the thread and noting the exchanges re counter terrorism funding. Is there actually a suggestion that there's a funding gap?

Absolutely. There's an undercurrent of disaffectment and/or prejudice amongst many of those people. There's a real potential of reaction from a community or people not directly impacted by what happened yesterday.

That's nonsensical flapping and incitement. ISIS can't just get their hands on a nuke.

That's an altogether different issue to your fixation and approach. You keep asking why people who are British are here, and throwing out the Robinson esque "send them back" mantra without a modicum of thought as the feasibility of that.

It's plainly possible that an individual can have an extreme view in support or opposition of anything. Bizarre that you think otherwise.

That's not a comment about the frequency! Stop making daft stuff up.

Indeed. We should all acknowledge extremism in general as an issue, but an almost singular focus on one form of extremism is not healthy imo. Iansums honesty is commendable, but isolated.

Please quote where I said that. Thanks.

Seems he intended to reply to Iansums.

If you weren't implying that by this comment "The fact you don't know the religion of the other group tells it's own story", what was your point? Those idiots had an extreme view to the extent that they wanted to burn brown people to death. People have extreme views, and take extreme steps, whether they be Christian, islamic, atheist, unknown, racist, nationalist, on the streets of the UK, in US schools ,or anywhere. Yes, a tiny minority of Muslims take extremism further than people of other faiths, but you seem fixated on this one particular group.

Extremism is not just a religious thing. Beliefs go beyond that. You know that.

Thanks. I don't support your views, but do appreciate the honesty. Safe travels.

I disagree. Rejection of a belief is support of that rejection. That can be fierce, or extreme if you will. Anti Christian beliefs by people of nil faith, for example, have a can be taken to extremes.

Absolutely, and only serving to negatively impact on the mentality of the players, which would have been better before they ever met the bloke. He's more of a scar tissue machine than a manager.

There was nothing patronising in his comment. It was an acknowledgement that you can take that stance, which you can. I repeat his question. Why? If someone admitted being racist or anti-Semitic, it would be reasonable to ask why. The same applies here.

You won't find me disagreeing with you.

If people can take an extreme stance on the name of their god, they can surely take it in the name of no god. Alternatively, the idiots I referred to were behaving in an extreme manner in the name of nationalism. The point is that extremism comes in various forms, and certainly not just in the name of religion. Extreme Zionism is another.

Have you not realised that the lad came here as a kid and is British. That's why he was here. He hadn't crossed the radar of the authorities. Whether he should have will doubtless be looked at.

I dunno, there seems to be a lot of likely atheists (or possibly Christians, who knows) out there. I mean, suggesting that people burn down hotels housing brown people feels somewhat extreme.

Brilliant! Mate, every word isn't a word until it becomes one. Islamophobia is a thing, as this thread demonstrates.

Nonsense. It's a recognised thing (UN, and elsewhere) albeit rarely recognised by some for their own reasons.

You still assume that the perpetrator was an immigrant. Sure, he was undoubtedly an Islamist, but that doesn't make him an immigrant. The removal point is an emotional response and not much more than an extension of the send them back mantra re the boat people. Nothing we do, any politician or party, renders it possible to change the law to oblige a 3rd party country to accept someone we don't want. We don't have the clout to force that a la Trump. I appreciate that what's happened is appalling, but, an emotional response and reality don't align here.