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Whether anyone resorts to nuclear or otherwise, in this conflict the west will damage one country only, whereas Russia can cause damage to all Nato members and others. Thus, the west have much more at stake simply as there are more countries in harms way.

Putin can cause damage on umpteen countries with his nukes. The west have more to lose than him in a game of brinkmanship. I don't think the west, not the least USA, would risk armageddon for the likes of Lithuania.

I think it's naive to think that Biden will send his troops in. Indeed, he's said he won't. That leaves it to the Europeans, with Russian planes and nukes close by. Let's see how it unfolds, but hopefully we can contain this and things don't escalate, but if they do then not beyond Ukraine.

You have more faith than me. Biden has already said that if US soldiers shoot at Russian soldiers then we have WW3. It won't happen imo and I think Putin could test the resolve of the West as a consequence.

In reality, there are differences. If Germany or France are attacked, there'll be a proper reaction. Latvia, Lithuania, do you think that Nato would spark WW3 to come to their rescue? I know they should under article 5, but ask yourself if that's a realistic outcome.

Don't count on it. I don't think the USA would get involved, and I doubt the others will go near it without them. Any future move is largely about whether Putin believes Biden will react, and the rest will follow.

Indeed. The issue for the west now is the nuclear risk. If we react to Putin, the war either stays where we react, extends to our shores (or others) with conventional warfare, or someone hits the big red N button. Whilst it shouldn't, I think an article 5 decision depends on which Nato country is impacted - would the west really risk ww3 or a nuclear attack to look after Lithuania, for example?

Yep, I know the theory. The reality is for the west to respond as it should and trigger an almighty mess, or breach its obligations.

It only triggers a world war if the west respond. There's no guarantee that they would. Sure they should, but given the choice of breaching it's obligations or triggering a nuclear / world war, the west may bottle it. Lithuania is a vital path to give Russia a direct connection from its mainland to Kaliningrad and the Baltic.

Lithuania.

Agree with that. Gervais is diverse. I don't rate him as a comedian, but some of his TV stuff has been excellent and varied. The strength of his stuff is in the characters, and situations. In Extras the characters were great but not relatable, but in the Office they were all relatable in some way. Both were funny, but in different ways. Afterlife is superb and shows a completely different side of him, and again there's lots of relatable characters, and situations. The last episode of the the recent series was brilliant. Derek was also very good, but not from a comedy perspective, and loads of that was relatable also and with a warmth and empathy which people wouldn't expect from Gervais.

Luton

Quite. I can't see a credible argument to deny them having allowed the baltic states and Poland. Moreover, there's no way that we can now bow to Putin's pressure.

Sticky

Fair point!!

Nope, your answers were a load of inconsistent waffle. Yes or no questions only need a yes or no answer.

So a yes. Good to hear.

Lithuania looks the obvious target as that would give a clear path to Kaliningrad and the Baltic. Whether Putin would mess with a Nato member remains to be seen though, but if he wants to test whether the West will respond militarily, that's where he'll get an answer.

Chest

Just jumped on this thread. You're making a proper fool of yourself here mate. It's a yes or no question. Just say yes, and everyone can call it a night.

Weird team though. Back 3 with Small supporting the striker. No Doyle or Ballard.

Tribe

Pinched

Yep!!

I agree with you, and although we're probably in the minority amongst posters on here, I think most fans believe that KWP and Tino are both better than Perraud, and that an out of position KWP at LB is a bit better than Perraud. KWP is brilliant at going forward on either side, and as you say, having Tino in the side gives us more height and strength in the team.