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Good post, thank you. In a strange way, I don't mind reading ill informed or even ignorant posts as it highlights that we need to have the discussion, and allow people to share their experiences. If doing that just seeps a little into others, it could just save someone's life one day.

Yep. I remember a game at anfield in the late 80's. He gave their back 4 the run around, and capped it off with a goal from a diving header. Good player.

Cheers Lighthouse. It sent me into a spiral I couldn't get out of for about 18 months. It took a fair bit of help to get out of it, and ultimately I had to accept that worrying about the past won't change it, and only messes up the present and the future. He had many demons sadly and certain events in his life made it unmanageable to the point he seemingly only saw one way out. I know that I did not cause his problems though, and that I wasn't the man to solve them. Still a very sad situation and I will never dismiss a cry for help again. On the taking other people with you point, I think anyone with true intent of ending their life just focuses on the exit that they want and cannot look beyond that. Getting caught in the cross hairs of someone else's suicide is just horrid.

Nail. Head.

It reminds me of the old fashioned little and big man up front with one staying long and the other coming short. It's definitely a different approach to how Adams and Armstrong play together though.

Going back to your earlier post Del, I think the short answer is that when people are genuinely ill it'll usually either be obvious to them, or others that there's an issue. Where it becomes a problem is where someone cannot address an issue that is not noticed by others. People use the word depression wrongly. "Ralph has picked Redmond again that's so depressing", or "it's raining again, how depressing". The word gets misused to the point that many people don't understand what depression is. Anxiety is also misunderstood and the term misused. I grew up with a mum who was agoraphobic - acute anxiety of open spaces, to the point that she couldn't go outside the house. I remember going outside with her when she was working through it, the look of sheer panic, and the trembling, I'll never forget. One of kids MH issues include acute anxiety - she literally vomits in some situations, hyperventilates, gets (physically) hot at the thought of doing things, etc. That's actual anxiety, not just a bit of natural, or even irrational, fear. @sadoldgithas a good grip on this stuff and his posts on this thread make good reading. People with depression and/or anxiety often can't face life or the world; cannot bring themselves to get out of bed, or wash, or shower, or eat, or do anything. There could be issues of fear around it, or inadequacy, or other psychological issues, as well as a possible imbalance. It's a complex subject and I'm just grateful I'm not my mum or kid because it'd be hell. I get your point though that some people like a label. Having lived around MH all my life, and caring for an adult child who suffers, I can't fathom why anyone would seek out illnesses which can reduce quality of life as much as any physical disability. I'll finish with 3 points on this as this subject is close to home on many levels, and not an easy one for me. 1. People can be cunts to each other on here. I'm guilty of it. However, we don't know what's going on for other people and what may be intended as a bit of banter can hurt, in ways that we cannot imagine. 2. If anyone reaches out for help, offer the hand of friendship. If they say they're fine but you're not sure, ask again - the second answer can be the honest one. 3. Most importantly, do what you can - I had the GF of a friend phone me a few years ago asking me to call my friend as I was the only person he'd listen to. She was worried he'd do something silly. I did nothing and he hung himself the next day. Whether he'd still be alive if I called I don't know and never will.

Yep. My post that got moved contained nothing unpleasant, and to be fair, SOG's reply was respectful and well reasoned. I didn't respond as the thread had gone off the edge by then. It's a shame how it descended. MH needs to be discussed, and mens in particular. Loads of men top themselves daily. Many other suffer, many in silence. It's a sad situation if we can't discuss that civilly and with respect.

I blagged a job at the dell in the food stand in the milton. Had to be 16 but they fell for the dodgy dob despite me looking about 9! There were 3 on our till - me, another lad and a girl who hated football. As soon as the game kicked off me and the other lad watched the game on the Milton then nipped back for the half time rush, pulled the shutters down just before kick off, legged it around to the office in the west stand with the leftover pies (which went straight in the freezer!) and cash, got our £7 wages, and watched the last half hour or so in the posh seats in the West stand. I didn't work the midweek games so used my staff pass to get in free. Best job ever.

I was 10. Didn't get to a live game for a few years, but dad bought the sports echo every week and I become a football anorak. My parents thought it weird too. When I started going it soon became every home game, away games whilst still at school. It gets you this football.

Great goal, great game, great player, and what a season. It was a tv game for me, and probably the game that got me hooked.

Danny Wallace scored that overhead kick on a Friday and we went on to finish second.

Hmmm...you said in response to Dman "You are basing it off like two games you've watched, how is that more valuable than stats throughout their respective careers?" Either what he's done in two Premier league games, and what he's done elsewhere, is relevant. You can't have it both ways mate. He's not a poacher - that's based on what he's done throughout the entirety of his short career, not just in one game against Leeds. You get kudos for Tino, but that doesn't give you credit for being wrong about this lad.

There's a similarity, although Broja seems to have more pace than I remember Dzeko having. He's a huge talent.

You're going to a lot of effort to try to disprove what everyone else sees. Neither of his goals for us were poachers goals. As for his other goals, demeaning the opponents does not make your point. Most of them were fantastic finishes, often from self created chances. You're very much in the minority in this. Broja is not a poacher. As for stats, I have no idea how they'll demonstrate that goals starting with runs from outside the box are poachers finishes.

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Read what I've posted. Then read your first post responding to me. I've formed the opinion that we're a better team with Diallo. I've also formed the opinion that you're an idiot. Discussion over.

I've made it clear over the course of this evening what I feel about the subject. Your perception of debate isn't the same as mine or that of a reasonable person. I disagree with you, and have no interest in engaging with you.

Night Minsk, sleep it off and we'll chat tomorrow x

You're being a bit of a cock mate. I've explained myself quite clearly on JWP. You're ego is clearly dented that someone disagrees with your view thy JWP is brilliant. If it's cathartic for you to have a little rant on here, you crack on, it seems like you need all the help you can get.

Blimey, you're on one tonight aren't you. You like JWP, we get that. "I believe, I believe"...well guess what sweetheart, others can disagree.

After the first few lines of vitriol I couldn't be arsed to read on...all that from someone asking if someone else is insecure. Bless.

Passive?

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That's so wrong. Watch his goals for Albania, for us, last season. He's not a poacher. He has that rare ability to make a goal for himself, and finish ridiculously well.

Yep, he's a decent player, just not as good as some make out. There's a reason he's an international bit part player.