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On the 2 highlighted parts: 1. Politics. It's the little Britain mantra of independence, but also see below. 2. No. And I don't think we will if we come out. The principles of it are enshrined in our values, and much is enshrined in uk law and would be regardless of whether we remain part of the ECHR. I'm not sure where this belief comes from that we need to be subject to an EU legal jurisdiction having exited the EU to continue to have decent human rights. We don't.

You've made Hypo's point for him. Canada plainly aren't a member, but live by decent principles. We can and will if we ever ditched the ECHR. The suggestion that we'll cease to live by decent and fair rules if we come out is sensationalist nonsense.

That doesn't address the question. Sure, it's bollox, but if it happened, nothing would change in reality.

I'm not sure what people think will change if we ditch the ECHR. We ain't going to start tolerating slavery, domestic violence etc. We'll still live by the principles of it. Academic anyway as Rishi is toast.

Horn

Yeah, saw that, and I hadn't appreciated that he was out of contract. That's a very good signing for Ipswich.

Yep, sad as it'll be to see him go, if we can use West Ham's interest to our advantage, that's as good as we can do.

There's got to be a deal to be done there. I'd take Downes and Ben Johnson as a swap.

Bizarre links. I'd be surprised to see either of those happen.

The simple point is that it's not our choice whether a player extends his deal. We may have tried to tie him down, who knows, but there came a point when it plainly wasn't going to happen. I don't think we end up giving away more players than other clubs anyway. Plenty of clubs have to, it's just one of the harsh realities of the game.

Because we won't allow his contract to run down if there's a decent offer, and common sense says that he'll take big cash/bigger club/guaranteed PL football next season if it's in offer. The only alternative to leaving is that he runs his contract down and walks next summer.

Good post, although I can't agree with the criticism of not getting him tied down to a new contract. It's completely unrealistic to have expected him to commit to a new deal when we were odds on for relegation, and then in the championship. Him going this window is inevitable, and I wish the lad well.

Neville, "basic in the first half is being kind". Good lad.

Ditto!

It was worse than that.

Gordon could have been enjoying his holidays. Poor lad.

And businesses fail all the time. Are you saying that we should have not supported them? Or is it just people that we should have left to perish? And yep, the NHS is shite. I'm not sure anyone has suggested otherwise.

Yep! Genius. Or something.

He's taken the only one off! Good to see Palmer out there though.

Mainoo taking up some decent positions to be fair. We look better with him in there.

No idea, but with Rice sitting deep, we don't need someone else playing the same way. Mainoo in there and no other change sums this manager up.

You know it. Obvious choice is Bellingham in alongside Rice, Gordon wide left, Foden in the hole although if he's done nothing in 20 mins I'd like to see Palmer on.

That was fucking awful.

Yep. Hard to imagine any manager doing much worse with this squad.

Yep. No press. No runs. Doesn't hold the ball up. Doesn't play anyone in. Great finisher, but that's it.