Lord Duckhunter

Who is saying that? You said there was no open door policy, there is for EU citizens. Every party sets limits for non EU immigration, are they racist parties?

So there is an "open door" policy for the 503 million people in the EU?

Oh ok, so there's a limit to the number of EU citizens that can come and live in the UK then?

What on earth is racist about wanting to limit immigration, do you support an open door policy or do you believe there is a limit? If you notice I posted a "straight" in/out referendum. The tory "pledge" is not straight. It relies on 2 things. 1; they form the next Govt alone and 2; they can renegotiate some powers back from Brussels (which isn't going to happen). It is not a serious pledge it is kicking it into the long grass. It is a pledge that is designed to con the British people AGAIN.

Until we get a straight in/out vote on Europe UKIP aren't going anywhere. The establishment have had a "we know best " attitude towards Europe and that policy has driven people into the arms of UKIP. Perhaps when they top the European elections next year the establishment may think again and listen to the will of the people. Anyone who saw Farage on "This week" last night will know exactly what a decent sort of bloke he is, compare him to the clones that run and are at the top of the 3 major parties.

The reason Ukip are surging at the moment is very simple, it is fear. No, not the fear of johnny foreginer that pushes people to vote for an anti immigration party, but fear displayed by the establishment and the 3 major parties. Its the fear that us peasants may not "understand" the EU and its wonderful contribution to British life and vote to leave their cosy little club. If all 3 parties committed to a straight forward in/out referendum then Nigel's fox is shot . They would still pick up a few protest votes, but the main body of their support would have no reason to vote Ukip. The establishment won't do it because they fear withdrawal from EU more than they fear Ukip. They know that fptp will exclude them from Westminster so they can continue to ignore us plebs even when Ukip top next years European elections.

Spot on. There is also a massive difference between this and a crime that was reported 47 years ago. Had one of these women gone to the police in 1967 and said " i was raped" then the police would take a statement, would have taken her clothes ECT, i don't know if they had rape kits in those days, but maybe would have photographed brusies and the like. Maybe they didn't have enough to charge someone, but advances in DNA or maybe a witness came forward, then i can see no reason why charges can't be brought 47 years down the line. However, to report a crime 47 years and then expect the accused to get a fair trial is just bonkers. The other thing that gets go me about it is this. Sex offenders like Saville and the like spend a life time doing it. This other guys Ken Barlow, Clifford ECT happened years ago, did they stop abusing or could the police fond no latter victims, seems strange if nobody came forward from the modern era when abuse was more acknowledged. One thing for sure abusers just don't suddenly stop. What i am uncomfortable with is that because of the screw up with Saville the police are fishing, throwing names in tbe ring to see if any victims come forward. There have been plenty of women used and abused, particulary in the later part of the last century. When i see what's not acceptable now and what is a crime, i cam honestly say i sailed very close to the wind when a testosterone filled young man. Since having my daughter I've thought about my past and some of the awful way i treated some girls. I've often wondered how they felt after being treated like a piece of meat and those feelings must be compounded if the user was a famous guy or a hero. I never ever did anything that was illigal then , but stupid things like walking into a bar with my "conquests" knickers on my head to the cheers of my mates. At the time I thought " sluts own fault for putting out behind the pub" . We used to have pig of the night competitions to see who could bang the ugliest one. All sorts of sheite like that demean and humilate women, but are not illigal. Maybe these guys used their fame, lied to these girls, told them to **** off, after seducing them , maybe that's it. Maybe they really do think they were raped, some seduction moves from that era are borderline nowadays, remember you could legally rape your wife back then, so it wasn't a particularly enlightened time. But i can't see how anyone can get a fair trial so long after the event or alledged event.

Why does he take sheite corners and free kicks if he's got such a belting left foot. Why does he keep giving the ball away if he's got such great dribbling skills. He had got a decent first touch and loads of skill, but so has Mr woo. I personally don't think he's got the mental strength or desire to impose himself on the English game. I hope im proved wrong and its not a witchhunt. Just my opinion of our record signing.

Had a pint with a mate of mine last night who is a member of remedy oak. Reckons redknapp was up there last week going on about a bet he had regarding all 4 division winners, said he was just waiting for boscombe and him and his mate would share £45,000. If true , looks like twitchy had a really bad weekend.

They did play well at our place as they also did at Anfield. Unfortunately, bearing in mind they play Wigan and Norwich, they are capable of some stinkers. They lost to Reading and until they beat us, had won 1 away game in about 8.

Only Wigan below us need to win more than one game. If we lose the next two tough away games then in my opinion we'll need a point from stoke. Last day anything can happen and im sure people wont quite be so sure we are safe then. Newcastle will beat qpr Villa could well beat Norwich Wigan could win 3 out of their 4 Norwich could beat a west brom side that's won 2 away games in 9 and lost at reading. Look at those fixtures is it that far fetched? Is us losing our next 2 that far fetched? Had villa lost Monday they would have needed to beat Norwich and get a point at least from Chelsea to relegate us, or Wigan would have needed to beat Arsenal. Now Wigan can lose to arsenal, villa can lose to Chelsea and it will still go to the last day. One point at home to west ham and west brom is a **** poor return and has put the pressure back on us, I just hope mp isn't as complacent as some on here.

The problem will be increased by our lack of defensive cover out wide midfield. Neither Adam or Puncheon offer much cover to the full back, so any newbie or player out of position could get really exposed. Guly does a half decent job out there but he's injured and JRod works hard, but that's it.

Their last 4 were tougher than their next 4. Away at Man C, West Ham, QPR, and then home to Spurs is harder than West Brom, Swansea, Arsenal and Villa. Here's 5 results in a row from end of March to April last year that led them to safety . Liverpool 1 – 2 Wigan Athletic Wigan Athletic 2 – 0 Stoke City Chelsea 2 – 1 Wigan Athletic Wigan Athletic 1 – 0 Manchester United Arsenal 1 – 2 Wigan Athletic Anyone who underestimates Wigan has their head in the sand. How many other sides looked at us and thought "we're safe Southampton wont pick up enough points" in the 1990's . Sheffield Utd have gone down twice when only needing draws in their last game, so it does happen.

You can quote all the %'s in the world, but the simple fact is if Villa win on Sat and we lose (entirely possible 2 results) we'll be below Villa. Will Villa fans be sat thinking "we're safe", will the BBC report say Villa are now safe? Wigan's next 2 are Swansea and West Brom, hard but winnable from a team that beat Man utd and other top sides in their escapes the last couple of years. Of course Norwich will still be below us, but is it possible for them to beat WBA at home? I'd say it was. Sat's win meant they've won 2 away games in 9 and in that was a defeat at Reading. Any team that can lose at Reading are quite capable of getting beat at Norwich. Throw into the mix Newcastle playing QPR,Sunderland having 2 winnable home games, and that's why I'm slightly uneasy about the run in . A perfectly reasonable set of results could mean it going to the last day, would you still be so confident then? Will you be confident and quoting %'s when we're 1 ahead of Wigan and below everyone else. So the reason I felt that we really needed Villa to lose was that I cant see Wigan being above us before the last day, so if Villa aren't either we cant go down. Yesterdays result moved that likelihood further away than the 0.112% or whatever other nonsense %'s you want to quote.

they are 7 points behind and I can see them beating Swansea, west brom and villa. We really needed villa to lose last night as they both can't win the shootout at the end of the season. Really need Norwich to do them sat, because unless they get a point from Chelsea or Wigan get a point from arsenal we can all enjoy last day. Of course we could get something from spurs or Sunderland,but I've got a real bad feeling about them

Wigan's game in hand is Swansea at home, not man c. Wigan are capable of stringing results together and getting out of this. Newcastle play qpr. pretty much a gimmie Sunderland have stoke and us at home, however bad they were tonight can you really see them losing both of them. They played well at Chelsea, beat everton and Newcastle, last night could have been a blip. The thread was about the best result for Southampton tonight and villa winning was not it. If they win sat it drops norwich right in it, but it takes away the villa/wigan last day safety net we had. Villa could lose that and still finish above us.

I would prefer to be safe as early as possible, how on earth does a villa win make us safer. Villa lose the next 2 and the only way we can go down is if Wigan win their next 3, one of which is arsenal away. The sooner Wigan or villa can't catch us the better.

We need a back up left back, and spend a bit of money on a Centre half that will walk straight into the team. I'm happy with one of Jose or Yoshida provided there's a top quality player beside them. Not too concerned about Centre mid. Cork MS and SD with Ward-Prowse as back up is ok for me. Need a bit of pace out wide and a striker as Rickie isn't going to get any better at his age and there's been times he's struggled. Other than that we evolution rather than revolution. The 3 sides coming up will struggle and Norwich, Wigan/Villa or Sunderland aren't going to get any better than us, and Fulham look like a side going over the hill to me.. I cant see WBA or Swansea being as strong next year, so provided Cortese is sensible we could be up around 9/10th ready to push on again.

Spot on, How can anyone want Villa within 2 points of us, especially if Wigan go on a run like they can and have done before .

Did anyone see MOTD 2 last night? Les Ferdinand and Michael Owen roasting Bosingwa for his attitude, "look at him" said Les "they're relegated and he goes done the tunnel smiling". Here's the clip, funny how nothing said about Redknapp who really seems to be enjoying it as much as Bosingwa, if not more. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22314331

Trevor Birch is on Keys and Grey's talksport show tomorrow at midday.

Nobody is saying that at all. However, anyone who doesn't think Wigan can beat WBA & Swansea, doesn't think Villa can beat Sunderland and Norwich, doesn't think Sunderland can beat us at home is deluded. If god forbid Norwich also beat West Brom & Newcastle beat QPR, we'll be going into the last game of the season needing something or preying that Villa beat Wigan, will people still be talking about 1% and other such nonsense in those circumstances?

This is what I've been saying, it's nowhere near as clear as 1% or other such nonsense. If Villa beat Sunderland at home then I cant see how the the9 can have us at 1% and them at 35% bearing in mind there will only be a 2 point difference. Perhaps the9 can give us the %'s if Villa win at home on Mon?

We're 150/1 to go down, what will we be if Villa win on Monday to close the gap to 2 points between them and us?

Twitchys getting roasted by some journo on Talksports The Press Pass. He said "Redknapps blamed the pitch, the players, Mark Hughes, the agents, and the owners for paying high wages in fact the only person not taking any blame is Harry Redknapp, the manager with a 16% win ratio".