norwaysaint

I got it junction 9, even if nobody else did.

To stay in the league with the big money costs a fortune as well, I don't expect to see that improve much in the foreseeable future. We have to improve our wages and bonuses accordingly to attract and keep the players we need and pay competitive prices to strengthen our team. Plus of course the enormous outlay on the new stadium we need to accommodate 70,000 fans. I can't see us being in the black any time soon.

There's nothing wrong with all of this, but you don't show that you're aware that the right wing of politics indulge in equally childish and silly name calling. I think blinkered tory bashing is pathetic, but no more so than silly insults about lefties and tree hugging. No side comes out of the squabbles on here looking particularly clever. The use of the word "brigade" for example is probably the thing that makes me least likely to take a poster seriously. It's a childish attempt to lump everybody under a meaningless label and dismiss them. Neither side has ever managed to rise above name calling and mud-slinging, but most don't seem to consider it wrong when they do it. Anybody who thinks left is correct and right is wrong or vice versa isn't worth listening to, there's always going to be a need for both. That's why democratic governments always end up changing after too long with one side in power, the balance goes and people need change. By the way, needing a balance of left and right doesn't mean the same as supporting the middle ground.

I don't think it is just about economic factors. i was raised by a single mum, working as a barmaid, in a terraced house with no heating, no car and no phone line in the seventies. It was a pretty working class situation, but her background was quite middle class. I'd say i grew up with a fairly middle class attitude, despite having none of the middle class trappings. Oddly I'd say my sister is quite working class, she watches ITV and everything. Having grown up in a society where class is noticed, it surprised me to realise there really is no such thing in many other countries including Norway. For example at my workplace in Britain, nobody ever really spoke to the cleaners and certainly didn't socialise with them. Here they are the same as any other member of staff and see their standing as no lower than the boss, maybe a rubbish example, but it's not easy to explain.

Yes, it's stupid and meaningless, I know. Where do you fit in? It's a bit skewed for me really, Norway is a richer country than Britain, my wife earns about double what I earn too, which changes the household income and my house is worth at least three times what I paid for it. Norway doesn't really have a class system either. It put me in elite, but I wouldn't agree with that. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973

Wow, some really silly squabbling and snideyness going on here. What's with all of the childish "Let's concentrate on this season." nonsense? Somebody taking the internet way too seriously there. It's pretty clear the OP is talking about if we stay up. To answer that one, and I also think we'll stay up, I'd say that I think we'll do better next season than this season, in that we'll hopefully avoid the awful start where our defence couldn't cope. However, we can't expect the kind of results we got against City, Liverpool and Chelsea to be regular occurrences. You'd also have to expect Lambert to start to show his age in the upcoming seasons, so we might not have such a guaranteed source of goals. So with possible improvement from Shaw, Clyne, Yoshida and JRod, along with similar or better from Cork, Schneiderlin, Puncheon and Ramirez, plus the steadiness of Boruc from the start, but with a less dynamic Lambert, I'd hope to be looking for above 15th, but no higher than 7th, and that would be an incredible and unexpected achievement. In other words, I expect us to be fighting for places more consistently with teams like Fulham, Swansea and West Brom (as they are this season), but I wouldn't be surprised if we managed to disappoint. The truth is that we could be anywhere between relegation scrap and going in and out of Europa league positions. A good cup performance and middle table would be more than enough for me.

I'm happy for him not to be picked. I can imagine if he was and he didn't score, there would be endless talk about how low Hodgson had stooped picking a carthorse, journeyman, clogger from a relegation battling team instead of one of the bright, exciting, young players being brought through by united/Liverpool/whoever, who train week in week out with some of the best players in the world. That wouldn't be good for Lambert's self esteem.

If you want to show your dislike for pompey, surely the most effective thing to do is just ignore them and make it clear how irrelevant they've become. When I first started posting on forums, pompey had been below us for ages and, aside from a little banter on the ugly, they were rarely mentioned and they seemed to hate that. Then they went above us and since then they've taken up a huge part of the posts on here. When we were on top we ignored them, then people got a bit obsessed when they overtook us. Now we're on top again it's fading more and more. There are a few who haven't got over that bitterness and still go on about them, but they've got their own thread, which, if I were a pompey fan, would find comforting, that some saints fans still see them as in some way important and spend time thinking about them.

I would hope we'd either keep him or ask a lot more than that. I think he'd be very hard to replace, who was the last great right back we had before him? I'm very surprised somebody said Shaw's crosses are poor, he puts some beautiful balls in and is incredible at getting into the optimum position for the cross too. The only player we've wanted to keep that we sold in recent years is AOC and when most of us heard the price, we said fair enough. I'd like to think that's how it'd be with anyone we sell in the near future. 7m doesn't make me think "Fair enough".

They are cringeworthy, that brigade. They probably do post on here. I hate that brigade. The bastards even deleted all their posts demanding he play for England. Stupid little flowers.

It was probably that "Kelvin for England" brigade, Turkish.

Actually, although I think most of the pricing on here is very silly indeed, especially for non first team regulars and ageing players, I think we would hold teams to ransom for Shaw and Schneiderlin. I think that for exactly those two, we would pretty much refuse to sell, meaning they would indeed have to offer us silly money. Oxlade Chamberlain went for big money in league one, Shaw has shown he can do it in the PL, clubs would have to pay out for him.

You can kind of add into that the cost of an acceptable replacement too. Some of the valuations on here are reasonable, but there have been some crazy ones too, particularly somebody thinking we'd get half a million for untested kids. The problem with valuing Lambert is the gulf between what he's worth to us/the cost of replacing him and what it would be worth another team paying for him. Obviously any club would have to pay us well over the odds to get Shaw, Clyne, Lallana or Morgan, so what they would be sold for is probably well above their real value. So do you choose how much their talent is really worth, or what ridiculous price it would take for us to part with them?

I've been using the Falklands as a theme of discussion with some of my classes (Norwegians learning English). At first glance, they all think it's ludicrous that Britain owns it as a glance at the map shows it should be Argentinian. Then they research the history and check the actual distance. At the start they all favour Argentinian ownership, after research, so far not one does. The Argentinian claim is incredibly weak. The geographical proximity just isn't good enough.

Nice to see us finally get something from our possession. It's not often we win 3-1 against a club like Liverpool and my main feeling is that we were incredibly unlucky.

I have seen enough moments of brilliance to think that he can be a great player for us. I hate the whole 12 million thing, because it doesn't really work like that. Pretty often these days, you have to pay out 12 million to get 8 million pounds' worth of talent. I think his natural talent is a level above many of our players and it's the direction we should be heading in. I think if we want to move up, we shouldn't sell players like him and we should expect to find ourselves paying over the odds for more talented players, just like most clubs do. If somebody wanted Morgan from us, I'm pretty sure we'd make them pay over the odds and they could end up disappointed that he's not quite worth what they paid, but that doesn't make him less of a player. I agree he's not been consistent, but I'm still optimistic about him. The ability's definitely there.

Ponty, the best mod by far, but lost patience with the place when he was told to re-apply to be a mod. Why would anyone ask him to and why would he bother?

Some of these are superb and make me delighted and embarrassed at the same time. http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/british-people-problems Apologies if it's old.

Similar, not the same. There are a few Southampton ones in there if you do a search.

Not such a popular quiz then, or are people just doing badly in it? I actually didn't even think about current players until the time was nearly up and I realised one of them was Uruguayan.

A miserable 58 out of 81 for me. http://www.sporcle.com/games/SallyJarvis1990/every-southampton-premier-league-goalscorer

I assume you ignored the link? You don't need to bother with any documents at all. Just hand over the cash and it's yours. No checks.

background checks? ID? Nope http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21712820 I see they've pushed though laws in South Dakota to allow the arming of teachers too. Would you like guns in your kids' classroom?

Sick of the snidey, sneering style of comment in the OP, but sadly that's becoming typical for this place. It's all going a bit "lowest common denominator". I think we'll stay up because i think there are 3 or 4 teams worse than us. Saturday was a terrible result. man City was a fantastic result. i didn't get over-confident after we beat the one and I won't start slitting my wrists because we lost to the other, this forum is all about the kneejerk reaction though. It's way too early to judge the manager, so I'll leave that a bit. The new signings have shown at times why we paid out for them, but the whole team has been inconsistent including the players we expected to make the step up. i keep on hearing about Champion's League and a big stadium, but only in the sense that people don't think it's realistic. I haven't actually read much on here of anyone saying they think either are likely. Who are you arguing with? One or two people? Why bother? My opinion on Cortese? Well I don't know him and i won't judge him on rumour and innuendo. We're a lot better than we were before he arrived, so that'll have to be the basis for my judgement so far. i just wanted us to survive this season and so far we're just about on course for that, which isn't bad after our horrific results at the start. If we're **** next season, it'll be a clearer sign that we're getting it wrong. Bit of a shame that this forum is these days home to so many snide, know-it-all arseholes though.

This? http://web.archive.org/web/20030411083937/http://www.saintsforever.com/hundred.html