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You put your left leg in your left leg out...

To where? Sholing?

I know it's not really a break, but I just saw the OS article that says we have 8 first-teamers away on international duty. That would be 10 if Clyne & Shaw weren't injured. Plus another 3 juniors. Surely the most Saints have ever had at one time.

Does it matter? This is SaintsWeb.

I wouldn't rule out an chartered overnighter after the game, back in UK Thursday morning. There will be more than just Gaston & Maya keen to get back to the UK after the game.

Can't think why, as we're clearly struggling in the series.

Hold on a minute. Haven't we already agreed that these International friendlies next week are a bad thing?

List of known Creditors (April 2012) Appendix B

Well I live 4,620' above sea level

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That's it, Minty. We've completed the loop. Government will, of course, always follow scientific consensus. They will do what I do (I'm a businessman not a scientist). They will root around until they find an eminent scientist that agrees with whatever policy they are promoting at the time, and parade him in front of the cameras. And then some "public interest" bod with an agenda will appear and tell us that 97% of his peers don't agree.

Ah, but do we really need to increase public engagement on every issue? I can understand that 24hr rolling news broadcasters do, but does that really help us?

I think that's a pretty reasonable prediction, even if it does say Daily Mail. I fancy Chelsea for the title, Palace Hull and Stoke to go down, and us to be nutting it out with Wet Sham and Newcastle for upper mid-table.

Not by me. I'm just as sceptical about any other type of funded science as I am about global warming. It's not something I lose sleep over, though. What I do lose sleep over (speaking metaphorically of course) is the progressive and insipid creep of spin into scientific fact, to blur the issues in an attempt to mislead the masses. It might just be me, but I do believe that that approach is much more prevalent in areas funded by those promoting a particular agenda.

I agree Tim. I like: much more than 97% agree. 97% is subjective, but is intended to appear as fact. "The vast majority" is also subjective, but doesn't pretend to be otherwise. As I say, if the thread said that the vast majority of credible scientific bodies agree that man is damaging the planet, I doubt if I would have bothered to pop in and say hello.

How many of these "peers" are of independent means, and how many have, or seek, outside funding? How many of the outside funders are of independent means? Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that "man" is damaging the planet in a very bad way. But what the consequences are, or will be, I have no idea. But I certainly do not believe every piece of so-called independent scientific research that I see. But I do get sceptical about people that have to resort to statistics to underpin an argument. A proper valid argument should stand on it's own facts. Why? I get involved in a lot of commercial dispute resolution in various Courts, and employ a lot of expert witnesses. I also examine and cross-examine a few. I know that if I have an opinion I want to make in Court, if I ask enough experts, I WILL find one that agrees with me. Same goes for finding one to disagree with my opponent's expert. All I have to do is pay them.

If you mean the Trevor Birch one, you'll find it here.

The mods should just ban all the worst offenders, then we will be shot of them forever. That ought to do it, eh?

I think that's a bit harsh. AFAIK (I read it on here) the players got pay rises for being promoted even when the club knew they wouldn't be part of the future plans. In my book that counts as loyalty from the club, and we do see a lot of loyalty from our players. For example Schneiderlin was placed under huge pressure by the French national set-up to move on 5 years ago, but he stayed.

Thanks for that. I must admit the bit I found most encouraging was this bit: Keep it up.

It's a brave man that gets his todger out on Brighton seafront in the wee small hours.

Yep, this is the August version. There'll be at least another 3 before Christmas.

Excellent news. Guy's got his mojo back wwdlLLLLl Since that heroic draw at non-league Braintree, they've gone on a storming run of six back to back defeats.

Oh I don't know. Now he can post a picture of a fool. I call that progress.

Yep. They beat Havant & Waterlooville, and Bognor Regis.