Wiltshire Saint

You have no counter argument I see. I say it how it is and you don't like it.

The problem here is that I will never convince you that you're wrong and you will never convince any right minded person that Africa's colonial past has not caused many of the problems seen today. The building of Empires created more problems than solutions, you are just choosing to ignore the problems (which is bizarre because they vastly outnumber the benefits). The dividing up of land by the Europeans is a fundemental cause of the political instability that is seen in many African countries today and can be directly linked to the rise of Military dictatorships. In countries where war and in-fighting is constant, because of tribal conflict caused by the Europeans (not just in boundary terms, but because the British, for example, set tribes up against each other and played each other off......often setting one tribe up as the administrative assistants and the other as the labourers in order to cause conflict and not allow those groups to try and work together to overthrow the Empire) development will never take place. No companies will ever wish to invest in areas where conflict takes place and the conflicts that are taking place can often be traced back to power vacuums left after independence. It doesn't really sound like you do feel for those with the disease after your opening line of "The AIDs epidemic is not my problem". Maybe you should think about the way you express yourself so people don't think you're a bigoted, heartless cretin. The issue with AIDs is that it is a disease that not only kills many, but removes the ability for a country to develop and therefore aid is needed. The loss of Doctors, teachers, nurses and other key workers would be tragic in any country, but in the poorest places on earth it is disastrous. Those affected by illness cannot work, fail to earn money and because of the lack of a welfare system, they and their family slip further into poverty. The flippant point you make about the NHS in this country is irrelevant to those in poorer places, as the health care costs are not free and if patients can't pay, they won't get treated. If this isn't a strong argument for giving aid, then I don't know what is. Maybe being a massive racist stops you from seeing things clearly. You choose to ignore most sensible arguments and therefore it is pointless presenting them to you. I am suddenly filled with a slightly empty feeling knowing that I have wasted 10 minutes of my time presenting arguements to you that you will ignore because you're so blinkered by your racism. While I'm here: Dear TheDellDays, I have addressed your point about why we are giving aid to India, but you don't seem to have understood and keep asking the same question. Please don't start threads on issues that you are incapable of understanding once these things have been explained to you, it is pointless. I'll sum up the situation in some short sentences for you..... 1. Aid is not to do with helping country's that are in poverty, it is about creating links with countries who we have a wish to deal with (whether that is for military alliances, future trade relations, government contracts) 2. India may well have many wealthy people, but it has FAR more people in absolute poverty. Stop asking people if they've been to India. You may have been but you haven't seen the whole country have you? You may have gone to some cities, where wealthier people live, but did you go to the rural areas? I doubt it very much. 3. This country has poor people in it (according to people like you, SRS and Dune, normally white, English people) but in March we launched the UK Space Agency.....why are we doing this when we still have people in poverty? According to many of the right wingers on here we're completed screwed as a country, so lets cut any frivilous expenditure and only spend on healthcare and education.

Anyway, anyone who believes that international aid (of the bi-lateral nature) has anything to do with who actually needs assistance is sadly mistaken. One of the biggest recipients of USA aid is Israel, a country which would be well down the list of countries in need of assistance (9th highest amount of aid fromn USA in 2003-2004). In that same period, America gave Russia $737million of aid, the 4th largest recipient. What happened to all those countries in poverty, with millions starving, with poor water supplies and sanitation? Aid is a tool that is used to forge and cement relationships that benefit the donor country. It is a sweetner, a way of manipulating countries. It's all about getting others, who have something to offer you, on side.......sub Saharan Africa offers the world sod all - there is no point building relations through aid with them. Aid is nothing to do with poverty or helping others. Pakistan have recieved aid from America in return for use of their airspace and allowing American military to land planes on their soil during the first gulf war. Strategic locations of country's is more important than poverty. Alliances against nasty and naughty country's is more important than poverty. Securing energy supplies is more important than poverty. Defeating communism, socialism and anyone not towing the Western viewpoint is more important than poverty. Not only is aid not given to appropriate country's it is also often tied to conditions. Anyone in doubt of that should look at the disgrace that was the Pergau Dam. A truely shameful moment in British history, showing not only the lack of scruples that Thatcher had but also the complete waste of aid that occurs. Aid is important, but only if it is used effectively. Bi-lateral aid should be abolished and multi-lateral aid used exclusively. In the 1970's the UN set OECD countries a target of 0.7% of their GDP to be used as aid..........have a gues how many countries have ever achieved that.

I agree with TDD. We could eradicate poverty completely in this country, have a better education and health service and compete better with other EU countries if we just stopped wasting money on things like Trident. I don't see why India or any other country should have nuclear weapons or a space programme. Good shout TDD!

I would rather trim it back from wasteful expenditure that does no good at all, like the navy.

A 3 parter question.....you have to get all 3 correct to get the question right and win the chance of asking your own question: (a) What year did Saints last win the FA cup? (b) Who were their opposition on the day? © Who scored the winning goal for Saints? (clue: his Grandson plays for Hibs at the moment)

Which Southampton FC player went on to present the weather in Finland after retiring?

What about some mute players? They cannot hear or speak, so need to find some unspoken understanding, far deeper than any Argentinians. Maybe AP should be searching the world for the best mute players because even if they've just average, their unspoken understanding will elevate them to world beaters.

I cried at the last game I went to because I couldn't hear the PA system properly.

I thought we found 9? I enjoyed writing that letter with you, look forward to their response.

So, if I have understood correctly, you're suggesting that individuals are different regardless of what country they have come from and that any discussion of which country Saints should buy players from is a waste of time? Is that what you're saying? Because if it is, this entire thread is pointless and you have made the OP look like a right knobend by asking such a stupid question. What you're basically saying is that where someone is born makes some impact on their footballing ability (given the prominence of football or other sports in that country) but is mainly irrelevant and the same as asking if ginger haired players are better buys than blonde players (the answer is clearly blonde, by the way). Anyway, back to the original point, Luther Blisset's memory should not be sullied on a thread on a painful forum like this. I know the black and gay community remember his death in a way that he would like, by recreating that run and goal that he scored against Brazil in 1984. I think that's a beautiful way to be remembered......a lod of gay fellas, dressed in tight shorts and england tops and afro's, jinking their way into a Brazilians box and scoring. Long live the memory of Luther Blisset, RIP.

I don't mean "John" and "Justin" Fashanu. I mean Luther Blisset. John Fashanu, as far as I am aware has not hanged himself. Maybe you are confusing him with someone else? I also think that John Fashanu, despite qualifying to play for Ivory Coast, was born in this country, unlike Blisset who was born in Africa and brought up on a farm (I think) and worked as a goat-hand before moving here in his late teens. From memory, he struggled to fit in because of the racism he faced (the sort of thing Junction 9 was typing) and killed himself along with his gay brother. That's why Watford adopted the goat as their mascot, out of respect (something that a few on here could learn). Nothing to do with the Fashanus....get your facts sorted before you have a dig. Maybe you've got an agenda like Junction 9 as well? Let's not turn a decent thread into a race hate (and possibly anti-homosexual) debacle, there's enough of that in the Lounge.

Qualify to play football. I have often noticed your posts and you're clearly a very intelligent poster, but you are displaying a level of stupidity that surprises me. Unless, of course, what you are actually getting at is some kind of race issue regarding whether blacks and Asians can play football? Maybe you need to be reminded of players like Luther Blisset? A man who came from Africa and struggled hard to overcome the kind of prejudice that you are displaying. He failed in that battle and hanged himself, along with his homosexual brother.

Wot, in THIS country! No way! They let all the blacks and muslims in before the good white people! Pretty soon all the Southampton players will be black muslims rapists and paedophiles and none of them will speak English. This bloody country! I think you're a bit upset because the following teams are all ranked above Norway: 163 Nauru 164 Navassa Island 165 Nepal 166 Netherlands 167 Netherlands Antilles 168 New Caledonia 169 New Zealand 170 Nicaragua 171 Niger 172 Nigeria 173 Niue 174 Norfolk Island 175 Northern Mariana Islands 176 Norway You're not even as good as the Nigers. It's the Ponty magic.

I was thinking about this the other day and I hope that as the World Cup approaches, NC and AP and also compiling a list a countries where players should/could come from. My list got to be quite extensive, and not just countries that are competing in the world cup. I think it would be really foolish to just limit our potential players to being just from World Cup qualified places. My list at the monent: 1 Afghanistan 2 Akrotiri 3 Albania 4 Algeria 5 American Samoa 6 Andorra 7 Angola 8 Anguilla 9 Antarctica 10 Antigua and Barbuda 11 Argentina 12 Armenia 13 Aruba 14 Ashmore and Cartier Islands 15 Australia 16 Austria 17 Azerbaijan 18 Bahamas, The 19 Bahrain 20 Bangladesh 21 Barbados 22 Bassas da India 23 Belarus 24 Belgium 25 Belize 26 Benin 27 Bermuda 28 Bhutan 29 Bolivia 30 Bosnia and Herzegovina 31 Botswana 32 Bouvet Island 33 Brazil 34 British Indian Ocean Territory 35 British Virgin Islands 36 Brunei 37 Bulgaria 38 Burkina Faso 39 Burma 40 Burundi 41 Cambodia 42 Cameroon 43 Canada 44 Cape Verde 45 Cayman Islands 46 Central African Republic 47 Chad 48 Chile 49 China 50 Christmas Island 51 Clipperton Island 52 Cocos (Keeling) Islands 53 Colombia 54 Comoros 55 Congo, Democratic Republic of the 56 Congo, Republic of the 57 Cook Islands 58 Coral Sea Islands 59 Costa Rica 60 Cote d'Ivoire 61 Croatia 62 Cuba 63 Cyprus 64 Czech Republic 65 Denmark 66 Dhekelia 67 Djibouti 68 Dominica 69 Dominican Republic 70 Ecuador 71 Egypt 72 El Salvador 73 Equatorial Guinea 74 Eritrea 75 Estonia 76 Ethiopia 77 Europa Island 78 Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) 79 Faroe Islands 80 Fiji 81 Finland 82 France 83 French Guiana 84 French Polynesia 85 French Southern and Antarctic Lands 86 Gabon 87 Gambia, The 88 Gaza Strip 89 Georgia 90 Germany 91 Ghana 92 Gibraltar 93 Glorioso Islands 94 Greece 95 Greenland 96 Grenada 97 Guadeloupe 98 Guam 99 Guatemala 100 Guernsey 101 Guinea 102 Guinea-Bissau 103 Guyana 104 Haiti 105 Heard Island and McDonald Islands 106 Holy See (Vatican City) 107 Honduras 108 Hong Kong 109 Hungary 110 Iceland 111 India 112 Indonesia 113 Iran 114 Iraq 115 Ireland 116 Isle of Man 117 Israel 118 Italy 119 Jamaica 120 Jan Mayen 121 Japan 122 Jersey 123 Jordan 124 Juan de Nova Island 125 Kazakhstan 126 Kenya 127 Kiribati 128 Korea, North 129 Korea, South 130 Kuwait 131 Kyrgyzstan 132 Laos 133 Latvia 134 Lebanon 135 Lesotho 136 Liberia 137 Libya 138 Liechtenstein 139 Lithuania 140 Luxembourg 141 Macau 142 Macedonia 143 Madagascar 144 Malawi 145 Malaysia 146 Maldives 147 Mali 148 Malta 149 Marshall Islands 150 Martinique 151 Mauritania 152 Mauritius 153 Mayotte 154 Mexico 155 Micronesia, Federated States of 156 Moldova 157 Monaco 158 Mongolia 159 Montserrat 160 Morocco 161 Mozambique 162 Namibia 163 Nauru 164 Navassa Island 165 Nepal 166 Netherlands 167 Netherlands Antilles 168 New Caledonia 169 New Zealand 170 Nicaragua 171 Niger 172 Nigeria 173 Niue 174 Norfolk Island 175 Northern Mariana Islands 176 Norway 177 Oman 178 Pakistan 179 Palau 180 Panama 181 Papua New Guinea 182 Paracel Islands 183 Paraguay 184 Peru 185 Philippines 186 Pitcairn Islands 187 Poland 188 Portugal 189 Puerto Rico 190 Qatar 191 Reunion 192 Romania 193 Russia 194 Rwanda 195 Saint Helena 196 Saint Kitts and Nevis 197 Saint Lucia 198 Saint Pierre and Miquelon 199 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 200 Samoa 201 San Marino 202 Sao Tome and Principe 203 Saudi Arabia 204 Senegal 205 Serbia and Montenegro 206 Seychelles 207 Sierra Leone 208 Singapore 209 Slovakia 210 Slovenia 211 Solomon Islands 212 Somalia 213 South Africa 214 South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands 215 Spain 216 Spratly Islands 217 Sri Lanka 218 Sudan 219 Suriname 220 Svalbard 221 Swaziland 222 Sweden 223 Switzerland 224 Syria 225 Taiwan 226 Tajikistan 227 Tanzania 228 Thailand 229 Timor-Leste 230 Togo 231 Tokelau 232 Tonga 233 Trinidad and Tobago 234 Tromelin Island 235 Tunisia 236 Turkey 237 Turkmenistan 238 Turks and Caicos Islands 239 Tuvalu 240 Uganda 241 Ukraine 242 United Arab Emirates 243 United Kingdom 244 United States 245 Uruguay 246 Uzbekistan 247 Vanuatu 248 Venezuela 249 Vietnam 250 Virgin Islands 251 Wake Island 252 Wallis and Futuna 253 West Bank 254 Western Sahara 255 Yemen 256 Zambia 257 Zimbabwe I must admit to having doubts about Afghanistan, but don't want to limit our choices by restricting AP into only buying players of certain nationalities, because that would be dangerous and incredibly stupid.

I knew you'd like it. I always like to make you laugh because you're normally quite miserable and sad.

POOED (as in "he pooed himself") I saw an episode last year where the letters were S-P-U-C-U-T-N-N-K I made SPUNKC*NT from that but wasn't sure if it was in the dictionary. I checked C*NTSPUNK and that wasn't.

46 cup finals? I think it's foolish to have so many cup competitions, especially when no one seems to have heard of most them. That's the problem with football nowadays.....too many stupid mickey mouse cups. I guess people are just desperate to make some money. I think we should leave it as it, 3 big cup competitions is more than enough. And imagine this board! It all kicked off when we won the JPT, with people saying it cost us promotion. Imagine playing in 46 finals.....we'd be relegated or something.

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WOW!! What a huge bump!! LOL! You have made me spit my coffee all over the keyboard and screen! I have never seen such a big bump! What made you think of it? Whay have you done it? You're f*cking crazy!

Agreed. It really spoils the day for me which is why I've stopped going. Season ticket holder for 34 years, but enough is enough. I refuse to go and have to put up with something like that which really takes the shine off a win for me. You should have seen how upset my grandson was after the Huddersfield game. We scored 5 goals, but the PA system just ruined it for him. He couldn't hear the interview before the game and was in tears the whole game. Sort it out SFC!

I don't think we can add any more to the attendance now, but if we can I'll pretend I was there. 636.

Nothing to do with feeling sore about anything, I just don't like Clarkson. I don't like him because he's a c*ck and the I think that asking people if they like him is a great barometer for judging stupidity. When the revolution comes someone should go around asking people if they like Clarkson. Anyone who says "yes" should be treated like the obvious c*nt they are and shot in the head (hopefully the bullet will find a brain). Their worthless corpses should then be piled high on ferries, set on fire and sent on their way to France where they can be scattered in public lavatories for the French to p*ss and sh*t all over them.