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Originally Posted by alpine_saint Nope. I posted to take the wind out the sails of anyone who tried to use this news to score points against Crouch. You're just piiissed I robbed you of a golden opportunity. Actually, I don't think anyone else would have sunk that low

God help us. Though it does explain a lot about your thoughtful & insightful posts........

I should have known Stanley (Baldwin) was a Tory

I still say Wotte needs a fair chance. 1) In his defence we have come back from goal(s) down in all games and only a miscalculation by Davis cost us the point against Sheff U. 2) He has been more pragmatic about playing 4-4-2. 3) He has been more pragmatic about using more senior players 4) There does seem a little more resilience & determination in our play 5) Listening to him after Swansea & Sheff U, he did talk realistically about the games 6) It's not his fault Rupert gave him the job - judge him on his own merits & 7) You can't polish a t*rd & that is what he inherited, which was neither his nor Poortvliet's fault (Or even entirely the board's) but brought on by our severe lack of cash So give the guy a fair crack of the whip, please

Um Pahrs :I think it's fair to say that you're not au fait with our recent history then!!!! Explain, please Um Pahars: Whuch is hardly a ringing endorsement of Lowe and Wilde. Of course it isn't Um Pahars: Crouch in a day to day capacity is no solution, but at the same time the idea that Lowe and Wilde are our best hope of salavtion is an even more mind boggling solution. As long as we sit here saying, "there is no alternative to Lowe", then we will never move forward. I am not convinced Crouch wants the role of chairman again, anyway But my plan for survival is simple - every one turn up and get behind the manager and the players (sod the board) & see if we can avoid relegation. The time for blood-letting is after the season ends, regardless of where we are, not now. Lobbying to replace one potless numpty with another at this stage is pointless. We are stuck with players we have, the finances we have & the board we have until the season finishes. The only thing we could change is the manager, but ffs, even by our standards, turning on the guy after 3 games is pretty crap. So the alternative is to back them all for now

I always imagine Alpine Saint as a troll living under a bridge somewhere on the dark side of a mountain getting his kicks from writing relentlessly negative diatribes on here and scaring billy-goats

If you see the other thread regarding Crouch laying off 50 staff you'll see that he is not likely to help much to us. Personally, I have big problem with him for two reasons: firstly the bonkers purchase & salary structure that has left us lumbered with unsaleable mediocraties like Euell, Skacel & BWP were done under his chairmanship (& if not there is another list including Thomas, Safri etc that I'm sure were). And secondly he is no better than Lowe and Wilde - he snipes at and goads the other two without offering a solution and his display at the AGM was pathetic. He had a go at running the club and virtually brought it to his knees, why would he do better this time round? And I'm not at all sure he even wants to & all his talk only ever sounds like sour grapes to me, not positive answers

Good one. Among other possibles - Crouch cronie, Crouch creeper, or maybe Crouch End

Surely the relevant part of this information is that if Crouch's firm are laying people off it is because they are struggling like everyone else & therefore Crouch is highly unlikely to be willing or able to pump money into the Saints & therefore everyone seeing him as some sort of saviour are severely deluding themselves. He like Wilde & (probably) Lowe are all feeling the pinch and none of them are that keen to dig deep to do any more than preserve what little value remains of their shareholding. And the reality is that all the other potential investors we all keep fantasising about are seeing their fortunes diminish before their eyes and a moribund CCC club doesn't look like a good way to spend their cash People on here seem totally unable to grasp this point - the Three Amigos would all probably like out, Crouch included, but they can't escape. They hate each other but they are bound to each other like some hideous torture (which is the only bit that makes me feel better about it), for eternity, dreading administration and wipeout but unable to make peace and move forward. It is no wonder the whole club is paralysed at the moment

I thought you were another Stanley/ Alpine Saint misery merchant but you are actually a Crouch luvvie, aren't you? He ain't the answer and he is currently part of the problem

Saints fans are surely the most united and cheerful fans in the country

You heard it here first.........

And Saints long serving manager is saluted by the fans.......

Do you have ANY evidence for that claim?

What were we actually arguing about? I've spent so long defending every line I write I can no longer remember what the original point was

It doesn't make it impossible, I agree, but for whatever reason his proxies have been totally and unwaveringly loyal up to now. Wilde is the wild-card (pardon the pun) but I cannot see him switching sides again

Looks to me like he has been extracting his cash from this company - most of the loss was directors' fees

You are a secret sk8te aren't you?

Oh and I never suggested Lowe wasn't paid, I was trying to differentiate between being a shareholding director and an employed one - hence the latter being easier to sack

Again you miss my point - being a shareholder with the backing of all his proxies isn't a good thing, just a fact, and because of it it makes him all but unsackable unless Wilde changes his mind again. The fact that he hasn't suggests to me that there isn't a very attractive plan B waiting to be unveiled. I think that was the point I first started to make......

Those like me, and I hope you, have been. I'm talking about all those that haven't been attending - particularly those that then come on here and complain

I mean not in the way Hone or Hoos were - they were just effectively paid employees, not shareholders with a significant backing

I take your point re the shareholders forcing out the CEO, but as he is a shareholder, not a paid executive it would a) need a significant number of those that have proxied their vote to him + Wilde, who would look very foolish indeed if he switched horses again, to force him out & b) those same shareholders, already looking down the barrel of financial ruin, to agree to fork out another £2-3 hundred K to fund a new CEO. So I don't see it happening.

Everyone on here goes on about things that happened years ago - we weren't even at SMS when Hoddle was manager. I'm talking about now - this season

He might be a failing & divisive CEO but he still seemingly has the support of the majority of shareholders so all our huffing & puffing is pointless, isn't it? We can protest against a manager to get the board to sack him, but nobody can sack the board, so the only way to bring them down is to destroy the club, which seems a bit futile really.