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Because failing to win is "good enough" to win 😅 That's some salient logic you've got their Trousers. 35% possession and 6 shots to 19 - whilst managing the better squad.

Exactly this. He's achieved basically the bare minimum given how both tournaments unfolded and he simply isn't good enough to win a tournament - so all we're doing is wasting another generation of players and introducing another period of knockout football psychological scarring - it only took 15 or so years to get over the 96/98 disappointments. The FA's stated aim is to win Qatar in 2022 🤣

Nice mature response their Ducky - sadly you've not convinced me to change my mind. No amount of consternation changes that he's a terrible manager tactically - and I was Southgate out before the tournament and at the last world cup. We've got a great generation of players here, we shouldn't be wasting it with Southgate imo. He's a nice guy, but not good enough. And I honestly think anyone who thinks England have a chance of winning a tournament under Southgate is kidding themselves as it stands - and that won't change barring an actual tactical renaissance taking place in his brain. This run was a parallel of the world cup - easy group, worst German side in 30years, Ukraine, Denmark... then once again, the first decent side we've played and we sat deep, stood off them, let them play, and then act surprised when they scored. Their best attacking players are Insigne, Chiesa, Jorginhio - England have level of quality sat on the bench. Yet our subs were poor and came too late, and he just ignored the very obvious pattern of play and pressure we were under, that or had no idea how to change it. The reality is that with our squad and attacking players, that we should be the team attacking the others and causing them problems. Press Jorginho to stife the forward passes, push up and stop them playing, get at their aged back line etc... Not playing with 11 players in our 3rd of the pitch. People might say he's not lost a game etc, but the point is that Southgate goes out to not lose, and consequently doesn't win against good teams when it matters. Which basically means his plan for this final was to not lose, hang on for penalties, and then try our hand at basically a 50/50 shoot out (i'd argue our record in penalties is far from 50/50. Maybe i'm too negative, or its too soon after for some fans. But I can see no hope for england under Southgate.

Hoping Southgate resigns but obviously won't happen. Sadly England will never win anything under him. He's a nice guy but he's also a serial loser and tactically awful.

Was hoping for some good transfer news and logged in to fans eyeing up Braithwaite - genuinely gave me cold sweats and i started looking for the relevant transfer link thinking someone please save us!!!! Fortunately there isn't one 😅

Watch it with the 5 live commentary option 😅

And what, we have to let him go for free next summer. Joy.

#Lesgacy

3d BIM model of the stadium, model of human with his face stood at that spot, laser extrapolation for a broad area would be quite easy. Add to that that all of wembley has HD cctv, a socially distanced croiwd, and all you're looking for is one of a few guys in said block not on tenderhooks for the penalty 😆

Now that you mention him, what happened to alpine?

Yeah, agreed. I am personally very excited by this. He's been one of the better players in the champ for a while and the kind of one i've grown used to going to teams like west ham whilst saints can never go for them. To be getting him for £10-15m is great business. I can only assume the negativity from some posters is because they're just not aware of him, that and we always have a few that delight in being negative for the sake of it.

Also really wouldn't agree with this at all - seriously unfair on the quality of goals he's scored and actually ignores his off the ball movement and the positions he takes up. Basically a very negative outlook to take. Its a good mixture of long shots, 1on1 placed finishes, shots from just inside the box, couple of tap ins, penalties, diving headers. He's got pace, movement, and he's a goalscorer - a good one. Put him in a yolo hassenhuttle team and he's getting goals.

Yeah thats fair, its not Che's fault he's a big powerful bloke with a "tap" like a mule's kick.

The issue you've got is that we've already signed Perraud and will be paying loan fees and wages out of the player sales (assumed ings and vestergard monies). Saints have debts to clear, i doubt we'll see any for of net spend. However, on the face of it. Bertrand out - perraud and williams in Ings out - Armstrong in Vesty out - Salisu promoted, need a new back up. Its reasonable business for sure. And i'll say this for Ralph and the club, we seem to be going aobut our main business early and getting the players in for the start of preseason.

He looks class from that video. A very good defender of the box. I can see why united don't want to sell him.

Yes, he has a long contract, our captain, arguably our best player, and his set pieces and corners make him a good all round player with a very dangerous attacking output that can win games from nothing. It comes down to what he is worth to us and what someone else will pay. If we accepted less than £40m we'd be mad, and given we don't want to sell him its very reasonable to push for at least £50m. If the owners take money out via player sales they correspondingly devalue the clubs assets. Albeit, a good deal for JWP might bring in slightly more than his contribution to the club's assets was tallied at.

According to Transfer market, Vest is actually are record signing. So yes i agree, we are very unlikely to get more than we paid for him 😅

Yeah thats the gist of it for me as well. Its quite simple really, he's entering the final portion of his career and wants to maximise it after his injuries - his last real chance of a world cup / euros is Qatar, and he'll target the highest level regular football he can to get that. He'll end up at the place he feels gives him the best chance of getting that provided the pay is reasonable and he gets to start - i.e. i don't think he'll move sideways when he has a good thing at saints (main man, 2 up top, very attacking), and i don't think he'll move to be a bench player - he'll want to be the main man. So the only question remains - if he won't sign. Do we force his hand and either try to sell him anyway, or failing that, get Armstrong in and bench danny unless he signs, or do we let him run his contract down?

I for one don't think we'll get relegated under Ralph. The time for that has passed in previous seasons. We even managed to be clear last season and we could barely get a win for half of it.

He won't blame himself. Far rather just disrespect and generally name call anyone who agrees with his own viewpoints. 😅

Not sure if misreading this, but how can you even imply Che hasn't progressed? He's a good player for us and has developed a lot since he's been here. But yes, armstrong looks a player. On paper he ticks all the boxes you could want when making a signing from the championship. Obviously you never really know until they get to play a run of games. But I am very excited by the link to him.

Love it 🤣

Yeah because the club would never talk utter bullcrap until season ticket deadline day to con fans. Also, wait, we signed vestergard for £22.5m?!?!? According to trasnfermarket he is our record signing 😅 with Ings and Carillo just south of £20m.

Yeah exactly. Those fans have misjudged him imo - as proven by him signing for a superior squad. Do i think Perraud will be an upgrade for us, hopefully yes.

I hadn't realised Leicester missed champions league. Brilliant 😆 But yes, a top 5 team in europe wanting Bertrand 100% invalidates my point 🙄